2013/4/8 Chris Rees <utis...@gmail.com>: > On 8 Apr 2013 08:55, "Robert Simmons" <rsimmo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Kevin Oberman <rkober...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Kimmo Paasiala <kpaas...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Robert Simmons <rsimmo...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryan Drewery <bdrew...@freebsd.org> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> On 4/7/2013 8:47 PM, Robert Simmons wrote: >> >> >>> Are there plans to get the following ports moved into HEAD? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 1) ports-mgmt/pkg >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 2) ports-mgmt/dialog4ports >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 3) ports-mgmt/portaudit >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 4) ports-mgmt/portmaster >> >> >>> >> >> >>> It seems to me like these belong in the base system. >> >> >> >> >> >> On the contrary, the idea is that more and more should come *out of >> >> >> base* and into ports. Base is very static and stuck in time. By > moving >> >> >> these things into ports, you are able to get updates much simpler. > No >> >> >> need for an errata or security advisory or release. Just updating > with >> >> >> portmaster/pkg upgrade. >> >> > >> >> > I understand where you're coming from, but perhaps there needs to be >> >> > movement in both directions. >> >> > >> >> > I may be way off the mark here, but I'd love to spark a discussion >> >> > about this. I think that in general things that are directly FreeBSD >> >> > projects belong in base. Examples would be pkgng, and making >> >> > dialog4ports a switch in dialog(1). Essentially, code that does not >> >> > have an upstream should be in base. >> >> > >> >> > On the other hand, there are a number of things that I think should > be >> >> > pulled out of base. Some already have ports, and others would need >> >> > ports created. Examples of things to pull out of base are OpenSSL, >> >> > Heimdal, OpenSSH, PF, ntpd, ipfilter, bind, sendmail, and others. >> >> > Code that is typically way behind the upstream project basically. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> portaudit is not needed with pkg, just use 'pkg audit'. >> >> > >> >> > I had missed that. Thanks! >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Also, is there a reason why dialog4ports's functionality wasn't > added >> >> >>> to dialog(1) as a switch? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Bryan Drewery >> >> >> bdrewery@freenode/EFNet >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> I think Bryan already explained the reasons why pkg should not be in >> >> base, it's an external tool that is not strictly required to get a bare >> >> >> >> bones FreeBSD system up and running. Including it in base you create >> >> yet another maintainance burden and would slow down the development of >> >> the ports/packages management tools. >> >> >> >> -Kimmo >> > >> > >> > What people seem to miss is that putting tools into the base system >> > strangles the tools. Look at the difficulty we have seen in updating >> > openssl. perl was removed from base for exactly that reason. Once > something >> > is in base, it usually can only be updated on major releases and even > then >> > it can be very complicated. That is a problem for any dynamically > changing >> > tool. >> > >> > I would love to see BIND removed from base, but most of the things you >> > listed really are hard to remove. I know that I don't want to try > bringing >> > up a new install of FreeBSD on a remote system without OpenSSH and that >> >> OpenSSH is the only one that doesn't follow the same pattern. It >> seems that the port of it has been abandoned going on 2 years. It is >> lagging far far behind 9-stable which looks like DES bumped to 6.1 and >> HEAD has been bumped to 6.2p1. > > You need to get the idea out of your head that !base == "inferior in some > way". > > Ports are an integral part of the OS, and base should be minimal. >
For me, the only thing that should go to base is svnup. -- Demelier David _______________________________________________ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
