On 13.11.2011 16:20, Doug Barton wrote:
You turned a comparison of the discussion of the concept of ports removal generally to the removal of individual ports and turned it into an ad hominem attack on the quality of*my* reasoning.
Huh?
This is an excellent example of why I, for one, don't bother replying substantively to your messages anymore.
And yet, you are going to have to... Because you are not doing your removals as an individual committer (if you were, your desire to remove a port could've been stopped by *my* desire to keep it). And as long as you imply having some sort of governing authority behind you (such as a portmgr hat -- permanent or temporary), you need to justify your actions to keep the consent of the governed.
But I'm not asking you to reply to the uncivil, sarcastic, and otherwise flawed *me*. My proposal was for you and the rest of the "removers" to articulate your reasoning on a web-page. That would carry your message (calmly thought-through and edited) to all users and colleagues alike, including those too polite to question your actions publicly. Please, oblige.
On 13.11.2011 16:31, Chris Rees wrote:
Oh my.... it's two months ago.
Yes. And my recollection from back then is that portmgr was reviewing the issue (in the quiet of Olympus away from the noise of all the silly mortals) and was going to render their decision (eloquently and convincingly to all)... That has not happened, but the removals continue to this day...
Can we move on? Ports are deprecated and removed. Insecure/unmaintained ports are harmful.
No, we can not move on. It should, by now, be obvious to all, that there is no consensus on when a port should be removed. And yet, a fraction of the committers take it upon themselves to remove ports based on their own credentials -- much to the dissatisfaction of the opposing fraction. I fail to see, why or how the opinion of crees@ and dougb@ outweighs that of stas@ and mi@. To be sure, both factions have other members, but nobody conducted a vote -- and we don't even know, what such a vote would mean anyway.
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