On Dec 03, 2007, at 01:18 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I'm probably going to regret joining this thread, but quite frankly,
the amount of horse being thrown around has gotten way out of hand.
I have practical knowledge here in working with different dependency
management systems (which is essentially what the ports system is)...
now that being said much of it is based on seeing how different people
have solved the problems raised by the methods you site as being
"invalid"
Fine. Prove your practical knowledge. Take a small subset of the
ports tree, x11/xorg springs to mind, bang around a few ideas, show
why they're "better", and we'll take it from there.
Interminable threads about "why <X> sucks", "why <Y> is better", "why
don't you do it with <Z>" gets nowhere. Even a cursory glance at the
archives of this mailing list would show that.
That is the purpose of the survey I sent out to start to uncover what
exactly the strengths and weaknesses are and decide if the weaknesses
are sufficent to warrent any kind of re-engineering.
Unfortunately, as with most surveys, it suffers from a fundamental
flaw in that it is self-selecting. It has gone out to that tiny
subset of folks that:
(a) use FreeBSD
(b) use FreeBSD ports/packages
(c) subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(d) feel like filling out a survey
By my reckoning, just those 4 points have deselected at *least* 99% of
folks that would potentially benefit from *any* kind of reworking.
Hopefully, y'all will take this as constructive criticism from someone
that (a) actually really does give a damn about FreeBSD/ports and (b)
spends a lot of time, in conjunction with others, doing heavy-lifting
infrastructural changes that aren't eye-candy.
Around here, action, and not words, are taken much more seriously.
We've heard the words before (albeit dressed and dolled up in a myriad
of different way).
Y'all are *not* going to get a (potential) rewrite of the ports system
right first time. 18k+ ports, 4 different OS versions, at least 5
"useful" architectures. You do the math.
Set up a wiki somewhere. Announce it to the community at large (hint,
that means more than sending mails to @FreeBSD.org mailing lists).
Put up some proposals (at this point, it really doesn't matter how
hair-brained they might be). Let folks contribute in terms of
editing. See what comes out of it.
Highly restrictive mailing lists are *not* the right medium here.
-aDe
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