On May 3, 2013, at 1:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: good for today and future ladmins that cannot type a command.
Any USEFUL proposals that add some real functionality? WIth great respect, I disagree with the dismissal that a GUI itself cannot bring value that a command-line tool couldn't otherwise bring to the table. For example, in a stateful modal dialog, I believe that part of the value-add is seeing realtime calculations being performed based on user input. For a concrete example, imagine as you are checking/unchecking boxes of what to install, if the GUI continually keeps up-to-date a display of selected dependencies (packages and leaves), then that is something that on the command-line tool is more difficult. What is the value-add in that you may say? Exploring, of course! Imagine that you have a need to fill, you go into a particular package category, and are faced with 5 things that all fill the same basic need -- but perhaps all but one has a massive runtime dependency list, so you choose that one. In this example, the GUI is far superior to command-line tools. I'm actually taking the same approach in the design of "bsdconfig packages" (visible here: http://twitpic.com/ci2rid ) in that the TUI based management will aim to give you all that extra value-added information that would otherwise take multiple command-line queries and extra effort to correlate. I argue that the goal should not be to develop tools that are useful for (as you call them) "ladmins" … but develop tools that the developers themselves find useful. I personally feel that I myself have failed as a developer if I ever develop a tool that I don't use myself (or at least find useful in replacing an old way of doing something that is much more difficult). -- Devin P.S. I'm sorry… but that callous remark sparked a fire in me. Had to set the record straight… we need to give this student a running chance -- don't dare say this won't be useful (I've read the project proposal… it's good and it has bapt's +1 iirc, so that makes it good as gold basically) On Fri, 3 May 2013, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: Thank you everyone for helping me create a suitable project to propose. I have submitted a draft of my proposal, though I am still in the process of enhancing it. If anyone has the time, please check it out and I'll gladly accept any feedback. I am new to Google Summer of Code, and just discovered I could update my proposal after submitting it. Initially I uploaded most of the proposal but I am still finishing the last parts. Any advice could help me (or others) develop future proposals, so I hope to hear from people even after the deadline. My proposal can be read at the following address: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding everyone. Justin Muniz _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org<mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org<mailto:freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org>" _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org<mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
