On 09/18/12 00:23, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
On Sep 17, 2012 4:04 PM, "Guido Falsi" <m...@madpilot.net
<mailto:m...@madpilot.net>> wrote:
>
> On 09/17/12 21:13, Zhihao Yuan wrote:
>>
>> 1. Maximize graphical user experience by officially implementing Wifi
>> helpers, auto-mounters;
>
>
> A good automounter definitely does not need a GUI.
> …
> BTW for this case too there is a whole set of problems due to
authorizations. various other OSes have solved this in many ways, most
common solution used to be to just make every user "root"(or whatever
the other OS calls it ;)
>
So, my opinion is, we need to standardize both, or we can't provide a
modern graphical user experience.
Standards can't accommodate the wide variation of uses a general purpose
OS with such a diverse mix of uses as FreeBSD has.
Whatever option you choose to standardize on you will end up with just a
small portion of the users satisfied and the other unsatisfied.
I'd like to FreeBSD to keep this attitude. "blessing" one DE is just the
opposite and even if the blessing is just a blessed option between many,
if successful it will tend to marginalize the others.
> Also, you should also have a look at net-mgmt/wifimgr if you really
can't do without a mouse.
As u can see, it's a stand alone app. But the most widely used wifi
What's so bad about stand alone things? They are simple and less prone
to breaking in mysterious ways
managers are always taskbar applets -- something bound to a specific DE.
-- we must standardize a ${DE}!
What about people who dislike DEs and taskbar and all these kind of
things cluttering their screen? What about ones using Plain old WMs??
In fact why should I have a wifi management GUI running all the time if
I need it just a few minutes a week when I happen to be around and need
to add a new network? Same goes for other gadgets(toys...).
If working applets are what is needed I think it would be a better
effort to adapt to the APIs the ones which already exist and give them
the needed backend. Not easy, but would have the best reward.
Anyway The blessing part is the problem. Everyone has it's preferences
and wil be a very big bikeshed.
You ignored the most important part of my email. Even before worrying
about the GUI part of such applications there are difficult technical
things to solve. Writing the applet is the easy part once the bigger
technical problems are solved. The technical problems are not
standardization ones, new general solutions are needed. It's not just a
question of picking up one between various options for the authorization
problems. The evident options are all suboptimal, just choosing one is
no good. And this is just an example.
Personally I have never used taskbars, toolbars and the like(well except
when I have to use a very common OS with a mandatory taskbar in lower
part of the screen by default), I like plain old Windows managers and
use a simple mouse menu to launch the most common programs (I played
with gestures, but were not satisfied) and use terminal emulators to do
anything else.
I have little knowledge of the DEs since I have not been using any for a
long time, even though I do use some gnome software as a standalone
program. So I can't help choose one
--
Guido Falsi <m...@madpilot.net>
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