hi.. there is no shift-keys retrieval ioctl implemented in FreeBSD... why? the KDGKBSTATE ioctl returns just the lock-keys state. actualy it takes the flags int and masks it with the lock-keys bitmask. some applications need the shift-keys state (such as mcedit and the tvision library) and i have added another ioctl to provide it (i could use the same ioctl but... nevermind :). is there a problem adding something like 'options KBD_SHIFTSTATES' to the configuration scripts or somthing... :) the second thing is ALT = META... AT keyboards don't have meta keys and alt for meta is fine... ..thanks :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message