On 10/9/13 2:35 AM, Freddie Cash wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bri...@mu.org> wrote:

You're right on the money, to be honest this is one of the reasons why
I've switched to using OSX as my desktop OS.

zsh, vim, screen by default.  and upgrades work.  At the end of the day
I'm spending time doing work, not mucking about my workspace to make it
usable for development.

I think this was brought up at BSDCan in the discussion about making
FreeBSD a more featured development platform.

Speaking of... has anyone tried PCBSD?

PC-BSD isn't much different from FreeBSD.  The installer is GUI and support
ZFS, there are some GUI setup tools on first boot for X, there are some GUI
tools to select binary drivers for X, and there ​​are working pkgng repos
available.

I had a lot of issues with PC-BSD 9.0 and 9.1 as I was trying to do things
"the FreeBSD way" which broke a lot of things that were done "the PC-BSD
way" (aka don't manually edit config files used for booting).

​Switching to the "rolling-release" (aka PC-BSD 9-STABLE) and moving all my
config file edits into <filename>.conf.local fixed my issues.  Things have
been running smooth, and I finally understand the beauty and simplicity of
freebsd-update + pkg.  OS gets updated once per month, packages get updated
twice per month, no more compiling things from source.  It's like using
Ubuntu/Debian but with the power and features of FreeBSD.  :)
​

When they went to a ZFS-only system, using GRUB, with no alternative, then I'm 
afraid they lost me.
I want a root filesystem on UFS for reliabailty and simpleness.  I can debug 
it's media if needed.
Before then I really liked it (though ther eis not enough information on how it 
works interneally if you want to use it.
hopefully that will come.. and I LIKE PBIs  FreeBSD should adopt PBIs for sure.
With PBIs you could make even quite base items separately installable. 
versioning problems go away.


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