Lawrence Stewart wrote:
On 12/27/11 16:13, Ron McDowell wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
The story so far ...
sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on
the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the
post-install
configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components
were then removed. Then the old version of libdialog (which sysinstall
used) was removed. Thus at this point it's not possible to easily
restore sysinstall.
So my question is, how much do you care? Is lack of that functionality
in HEAD something that we care about?
Doug
We have around 90 web servers running 8.2p5 right now [and yes, I did
update the lot on Christmas Eve but that's a different story] and they
will not be upgraded to 9.0 until/unless the post-install functionality
that was lost by the removal of sysinstall is reintegrated in some way.
I also complained about it and was told in effect, "too bad." Everyone
who commented said sysinstall caused more problems than it solved,
although I've been using it for any system changes I needed that it was
capable of doing for as long back as I can remember, and my first
FreeBSD box was v2.2.
I think removing any functionality that was in a previous release
without providing an equal-or-better alternative is a bad idea, and that
needs to be considered more carefully in the future.
So this is not just a +1 vote, it's a +90.
Sysintall is in 9 and will not be removed from the 9 branch. The
installer used on the release media has changed, but as far as I
understand, there is nothing stopping you from running sysinstall from
a installer shell or using it for post installation configuration.
You're right. I stand corrected and am happy to see I'll be able to
upgrade to 9.0 after -RELEASE.
Doug is only referring to the head branch (which will eventually in
~18-24 months become the 10 branch), so you should be able to have the
best of both worlds with 9 i.e. try bsdinstall, fall back to
sysinstall when you find bugs or missing features (don't forget to
lodge bug reports for problems you find so that bsdinstall can be
improved).
On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in
resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much
closer to (say, 6 months before) the 10.0 release cycle, if no
suitable post-installation configuration tool has materialised.
In the meantime, cajole everyone who pops up saying "I really want
post installation configuration support" to get involved with writing
a bsdinstaller-like script (I think it should be completely separate
to bsdinstaller, but perhaps use the same backend shell script
functions/infrastructure) to do the job.
I guess this is a good time for me to quit bitching, get off my butt,
and contribute something back to a project I've been using daily for
almost 20 years. Having done similar sysadm development work [way back]
on Tandy Xenix, SCO Xenix/Unix, and Dell SVR4 Unix, this is an area
where I actually might know enough to be useful. To that end, the first
task I'm assigning myself is to poke around in bsdinstall/libdialog and
see how they work.
As a related question, is there a good primer somewhere about how to use
SVN? I'm using csup at present.
--
Ron McDowell
San Antonio TX
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