> On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 09:05:38AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes:
> > : The only "right" solution is for us to mandate that people down cards 
> > : before ejecting them.
...
> I would like to see that something along the lines of a method to shut
> down the card in preparation for removal,

That's what I said above.

> In other words, whereas right now I would have to
> "ifconfig down" if it's an ethernet card, "pppctl close" if it's a
> serial card, and unmount the filesystem if it's a flash card,

None of those actions would be adequate.

> There are other contexts for the same issues anyway.  USB has devices
> that go away suddenly, and it _is_ designed to be hot-removable, so
> people are going to be pulling the plug on network adapters, ZIP
> drives, etc.  We need drivers that are capable of going away cleanly,
> or at least without a panic.

You can't do this with pccard, full stop.  It's not a code problem, it's 
a design problem fundamental to pccards.  They could have fixed it with a 
few extra components, but that would have been too much like hard work.  
*sigh*

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