Hi, On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:38:21 -0400 Chad Jacob Milios <freebsd-l...@nuos.org> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky > > <freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote: > > > > you mean, the money spent on the CoC would not helped to develop > > better code by getting people willing to code for the same amount > > of money. > > Now I see your point. Do we know how much was spent on CoC? I get > zero hits for /(coc|conduct)/i on all pdfs linked from the body of > https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/ > <https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/> only that this number is not published is fishy. > > I thought i recall Deb Goodkin said that means its expenditure was > “insignificant”. I dont have a citation unfortunately but at some > point in the last couple years i wanna say i heard numbers around > $1000 being tossed around but it sounded like conjecture to me at the > time. Am I anywhere near the mark? Did i miss something more concrete > coming out? Some smaller contributors told me to leave and two donors told me that they will stop donating. > > I still don’t see what’s to get so bent out of shape about. Is it > that y’all want more transparency, finer granularity, etc? Are coders > really leaving or effectively going “on strike” over this? > Isn't this the perfect example of how transparency is avoided? > > > I come from a background where we say, stop it before it takes over. > > What ever bad thing appeared in the past, appeared very smooth, very > > gentle, just like this CoC. > > Ok, i can hear you now. I think you’re saying that just about EVERY > horrific attrocity of human rights in the history of humankind had at > one time began with seemingly good intensions and was touted as > innocent and reasonable. You’re worried our CoC is pointing in the > direction of hindering innovation by stifling free speech and the > exchange of ideas. You wonder if a silent majority is simply leaving > because they recognize this with their gut intuition but are not as > vocal, opinionated or invested as those spearheading the controversy. > (?) > The future will tell. > Am i close? I have hardly taken in very much of this saga. I’ve > mostly tried to ignore it and not let it distract me from my work or > my participation in The Project. > > May I politely ask your background, out of curiosity? Is it that > you’re German or Jewish? Would that be a fair question or an > inappropriate presumption? I think i can also feel a bit of what > you’re saying now, that i’m not quite sure if i’m running afoul of > the CoC in asking that question and now my anxiety says i should just > shut up and leave. > You are right. I have a German passport. > > > The Nineties are over, yes, but is civilisation also over? > > I don’t think civilization was ever at risk of ending. Lawd, i hope > this isn’t the end of civility in the FreeBSD project. This is why I think that the old CoC was perfect for this cind of project. > > Maybe I’m being melodramatic but this brings to mind something i read > once along the lines of: A peace maintained by force or restriction > cannot be sustained and will eventually explode violently or crumble > chaotically. Or: Without freedom there can be no liberty. Without > liberty there can be no justice. Without justice there can be no > lasting peace. > Yes! > > > Of course, people can work on FreeBSD with the new CoC. But do they > > have to work? > > I’m sorry, i don’t think i caught your meaning here. It is just as written. Erich _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
