On 3/5/2018 11:09 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Bryan Drewery wrote: >> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) >> --oex5zYNtdOsHH7CGnZTm2mPFhuBKYldVo >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="YJ0tBWvLQToy5jfzJdV74lsXFyKkOJvV1"; >> protected-headers="v1" >> From: Bryan Drewery <bdrew...@freebsd.org> >> To: "Julian H. Stacey" <j...@berklix.com>, d...@freebsdfoundation.org >> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Message-ID: <bf158178-ef20-5165-da34-839c1df79...@freebsd.org> >> Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem >> References: <201803050114.w251dv53087...@fire.js.berklix.net> >> In-Reply-To: <201803050114.w251dv53087...@fire.js.berklix.net> >> >> --YJ0tBWvLQToy5jfzJdV74lsXFyKkOJvV1 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Content-Language: en-US >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> On 3/4/2018 5:13 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >>> d...@freebsdfoundation.org wrote: >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> This is Deb Goodkin, Executive Director for the FreeBSD Foundation. Th= >> e >>>> Foundation isn't responsible for the CoC, that would be the FreeBSD >>>> Project's core team. Please don't spread mis-information about the >>>> Foundation censoring discussions. Someone else on this thread can hope= >> fully >>>> direct you to the correct mailing list for discussing your concerns >>>> regarding the Code of Conduct.=20 >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Deb Goodkin >>>> Executive Director >>>> The FreeBSD Foundation >>> =20 >>> Hi Deb, >>> Did the foundation pay for it ?=20 >> >> The discussion needs to not demonize people or entities involved on >> either side. > > FreeBSD are at liberty to reject a non FreeBSD outsider who wrote this > especially if they were paid to write it, even more so if the paid > outsider hopes rules she/he wrote they'd like to see imposed on us. > > >> It seems to me that it would have been better had this CoC >> had more outside review and possibly a draft period where the project >> asked for community feedback. > > ** A draft & period for comment should have been mandatory, > omiting it suggests arrogance or incompetence. > > >> IMHO it's not too late to go down those >> paths but we need to take a deep breath and consider that the intentions >> of the CoC are only good; > > Maybe, or not, See ** above. > > >> that the project should be more welcoming for >> everyone. There's nothing wrong with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC, >> even if it had flaws. > > I think legaly Foundation is not answerable to FreeBSD just to the > few who founded the foundation. Nothing wrong with FreeBSD rejecting > an unwanted gift as incompetent waste of money - if they want. > > >> It likely would need to help sponsor independent >> reviews to weed out unneutral language. > > Whoever sprung this on FreeBSD community without warning should be admonished. > > FreeBSD Foundation could ask for a refund from the incompetent who > wrote it, & Foundation in turn could refund those such as the person > who asked "Can I have a refund". >
The language and tone you are using only diminishes your voice, and frankly violates any average or common sense CoC. This was not done by 1 person or "outsider", it was done by a group of people and signed off by core@ (as I understand it). I think mistakes were made but attacking everyone involved won't achieve any positive results. -- Regards, Bryan Drewery
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