On Mon, 30 Jan 2012, rvmart...@ntlworld.com wrote:

michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote the following on 30/01/12 16:35:20:


On Mon, 30 Jan 2012, rvmart...@ntlworld.com wrote:

michael.vancann...@wisa.be wrote the following on 30/01/12 14:49:53:

I think the reason for producing an ASCII version first is very simple:
All FPC sources - including the compiler - are in ASCII encoding.

I don't understand this statement - ASCII and EBCDIC are just human 
representations of a computer's internal code.
I write my programs in the Latin (or Roman) alphabet and the computer does the 
rest.
When I was writing VS/Pascal programs I used the same source code as input to 
VS/Pascal on the mainframe and to Virtual Pascal on the PC.

Unless the FP source code is to be fed into a mainframe compiler like
IBM's VS/Pascal or the Stanford compiler then the first step is surely to
write a backend for the (eg PC) compiler to produce 370 assembler code.
Producing EBCDIC rather than ASCII sounds a trivial part of the task.

I had in mind the following scenario:

1) Somehow we build - using cross-compilation - a first version of the
   compiler that actually runs on the 370. This binary is transferred to a
   370 machine.

2) The sources of the compiler and RTL are transferred to the 370.
    I assume that after the file transfer, the sources are still in ASCII 
format ?


No - sending source code from a PC to a 370 performs an automatic translation 
to EBCDIC (and vice versa).

I think that very much depends on the program you use to send the file.

We have a mainframe here, and sending ASCII files using FTP in binary mode, most certainly does not do any translation. I suppose the same goes for SCP, although I never tested that protocol myself.

And that is what I meant: unless you do the translation explicitly
(and by this I also understand email, ASCII mode FTP transfer and whatnot)
the compiler will see ASCII sources, even on the IBM.

Michael.
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