Hi Niels Thanks for reply my question. :)
2) Extrapolating how busy someone's life is by looking at a period of 2 days might not be really representative. ----- It's not for 2 days, it might be answer or not answer the question, right ? :) If everyone don't ask questions or ask question but there might be someone doesn't answer any question. How could we know that candidates -- just from the bio? -- Maybe everyone ( okay, at least me... ) want to hear more from candidates. With many reply and information -- We could know how hard to be GNOME board and they work very hard, it's good, right? * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 * Niels De Graef: 2019/6/5 * Britt Yazel * Federico Mena Quintero * Christopher Davis Thanks again for your reply Max On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:41 PM Niels De Graef <nielsdegr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Max, > > I first want to thank you for your question, as it is a very valid > point. I agree with Carlos that we already have better collaboration > (GitLab) and communication (Discourse) tools which we should look into > instead of a plain-text email. > > For the rest, I think it's wise to consider a few things before making > conclusions: > > 1) This is a question that is a bit hard to give a good answer to as > someone who hasn't served a term yet (as Tristan mentioned). This > might explain why 3 out of 4 people at the bottom of your list are > would-be first-termers. ;) > > 2) Extrapolating how busy someone's life is by looking at a period of > 2 days might not be really representative. For a personal example: I'm > actually moving to a new place this month, which means it's harder to > get a response out as soon as possible. That does not mean I don't > have time allocated for the board in the rest of the year. I think we > can safely assume the latter also applies to the other people who > haven't answered yet. > > Thanks again for your feedback! > > Kind regards, > Niels > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 3:27 AM Max via foundation-list > <foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Allan, Tristan, Carlos, Robert > > > > Thanks for the quick response. > > Thanks all of you give us more choice and tool. > > GNOME.Asia team also use gitlab issue board to co-work together. > > > > During the GNOME.Asia role, I learn about --- "Pass the information to > the team members fast" is more better than "Think all method alone". > > We are all volunteer live in different time zone, we have real job and > life. So we will do community task at rest time of real life. > > It's good to do community task in reasonable time. > > I think ask question to candidates during the election time -- we might > be see how busy they are in real life. > > To guess how much time the candidates could spend on community tasks. > > If someone is real great but he / she is 100% or 90% busy in real life, > she / he might be have no time to help. > > > > The date is for UTC +08:00 in my local time. > > > > * Philip Chimento: 2019/6/4 > > * Christel Dahlskjaer: 2019/6/4 > > * Benjamin Berg: 2019/6/4 > > * Allan Day: 2019/6/4 > > * Tristan Van Berkom: 2019/6/4 > > * Carlos Soriano: 2019/6/4 > > * Robert McQueen: 2019/6/5 > > > > * Britt Yazel > > * Niels De Graef > > * Federico Mena Quintero > > * Christopher Davis > > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:55 AM Robert McQueen <ra...@gnome.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Max, > >> > >> For what it's worth - I agree very strongly with Carlos here. The > community seems very "latched on" to minutes as the only/best way to hear > from or understand the board. I believe that on the whole Philip and > Federico as Secretary and Vice-Secretary have been doing as good a job as > could reasonably be expected of them, in terms of keeping the process > running and making sure the minutes happen and are published within weeks > rather than months. It's certainly as good or as close to as good as I've > seen it during the past few years, and as a time-starved collection of > volunteers, I don't think it's feasible for an incoming director to promise > that the preparation of minutes will change significantly. > >> > >> That said; we hear the concerns about timeliness and transparency but > really - poring over summarised board minutes looking for decisions (or > conspiriacies) and second-guessing justifications/motivations is not a good > way to build trust and transparency. Communication should be more > intentional and directed, ideally the board should be more accessible. This > is why I blogged about the key topics and things we were aiming to do from > our hackfest last year. > >> > >> I think that Carlos' GitLab and Discourse suggestions are great, and > maybe there are some other things we could consider - some round table / > AMA things - so that the board is in discussion with the membership more > frequently than the big Q&A "meet the new board" at GUADEC. At this exact > time, the new board don't really know what they're doing (or about to do) - > at least I certainly didn't - so you might get intentions/aspirations but > very little insight into what is actually ongoing and why. > >> > >> (As a side point, I am also not used to the concept that a board or > other panel would /not/ periodically approve it's previous minutes - but I > would also not expect a board to ordinarily meet every two weeks. We've > moved from weekly to bi-weekly meetings during this board term, which is > great, but ideally as we build trust/process/oversight in the ED and staff, > the board should ideally have to meet less often.) > >> > >> As the staff team grows, more of the "stuff the foundation does" should > move away from the board making micro-decisions, and more towards "business > as usual" for the staff. Then the reporting and transparency requirement > moves from the board to the staff - especially as they are (by their very > existence) consuming donor funds. So I feel this transparency is also very > important. As the ED line manager, I think we've made some progress during > this term and have converted some of Neil's reporting to the board into eg > a blog post visible to the community, but clearer and more frequent updates > on "what is the foundation doing" particularly through the activities of > staff is something I would hope to be able to continue working on with Neil > and his team over the coming year. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Rob > >> > >> On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 22:22 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote: > >> > >> Hi Max, > >> > >> Thanks for your question. You raise a very good point, I agree with you > that we need to improve participation of the community on board topics, and > it's specially difficult if the information is delayed for too long. > >> > >> This is indeed a difficult situation. Some topics that the board > discusses are quite sensible, and sometimes we are in doubt whether parts > of it are private or not, so that requires consensus and therefore delays > happen. As you can imagine, we rely on volunteer time to discuss and > process them, and the availability of each director and secretaries is > limited. In all honesty, while this can always be improved with our current > processes, I think Philip Chimento and Federico made an excellent job with > minutes. > >> > >> However, let me comment about the lack of participation. I think one of > the reasons is that minutes are simply not the best tool for this. Minutes > feel to me too much of a one way communication, and on top of that they are > over email, which is not the most encouraging tool to manage and track > discussions. They are good for keeping a record, but not so good for much > else. Improving this situation was one of the reasons we moved our key > conversations to GitLab issues, so community members could closely follow > them and chime in directly if wanted. > >> > >> My vision to encourage more participation would be around using more > tooling such as GitLab and Discourse for board discussions, and on top of > that, keep pushing on our goal to put as early as possible key initiatives > there to allow members to actually participate. I believe we have a big > room to improve, specially with initiatives that are not time sensible. > >> > >> Lastly, an interesting idea I think we could do is a round of questions > to the membership to know what topics they were interested in and that we > could have done better with their minutes. Although I believe the board is > always open to feedback, I personally look forward to know about those. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Carlos Soriano > >> > >> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 02:43, Max via foundation-list < > foundation-list@gnome.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Thanks for running for the board. > >> > >> Thanks everyone who want take times to make GNOME better. > >> Just a simple question about Minutes of the board meeting. > >> > >> Data and information might be different. > >> For me - a GNOME foundation member > >> > >> Data - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" after 1 month or 2 weeks > after. > >> ---- Because maybe the event is already close or over. > >> > >> Information - Get "Minutes of the board meeting" in 1 week or 10 days. > >> ---- Because something might be happening and everyone could discuss > with board and reply. > >> > >> ==== Here is the question ==== > >> > >> Could you promise to think a way --- Everyone get "Minutes of the board > meeting" in a very close time? > >> > >> Here is my suggestion. > >> Maybe there will be a table to record the "Minutes of the board > meeting" announcement time and does it announce in short time? > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> | board meeting | Minutes | in 10 days ? > | > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> | 2019/4/29 | 2019/5/22 | No > | > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> | 2019/4/8 | 2019/5/15 | No > | > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> | 2019/3/13 | 2019/5/15 | No > | > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> Maybe it could be a record in GNOME annual report？ > >> ---- There are ? % for Minutes of the board meeting on time to > announce. > >> > >> I want to say --- It not just secretary task, It's the information we > want to get from all GNOME Board member. > >> > >> Thanks again for all who take time to running the board > >> > >> > >> Max > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-list mailing list > >> foundation-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> foundation-list mailing list > >> > >> foundation-list@gnome.org > >> > >> > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >
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