We're working on the privacy issue re: iframes. Just want to thank MZMcBride for working with us on a stopgap measure until we figure out how to post jobs in an automated way without compromising privacy.
Warm regards, Gayle -- Gayle Karen K. Young Chief Talent and Culture Officer Wikimedia Foundation p. 415.839.6885 x6691 c. 415.310.8416 www.wikimediafoundation.org On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM, <foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>wrote: > Send foundation-l mailing list submissions to > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > foundation-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of foundation-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books > (Ray Saintonge) > 2. Re: [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, Britannica to stop > printing books (Robin McCain) > 3. Re: [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, Britannica to stop > printing books (Svip) > 4. sad news (phoebe ayers) > 5. Re: Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books > (Keegan Peterzell) > 6. Re: Guidelines for the use of iframes? (K. Peachey) > 7. Re: Guidelines for the use of iframes? (MZMcBride) > 8. Re: Guidelines for the use of iframes? (Erik Moeller) > 9. Re: [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, Britannica to stop > printing books (Samuel Klein) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:22:56 -0700 > From: Ray Saintonge <sainto...@telus.net> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop > printing books > Message-ID: <4f613660.50...@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 03/14/12 2:29 PM, Joan Goma wrote: > > > > Catalan Wikipedia has about 10 times more pageviews than them. If they > use > > a free license and use a wiki then their professionals can copy our best > > articles and review them and we can copy their content. 7,8% of their > > page-views go there from Catalan Wikipedia. > > > > They have 350.000 articles and Catalan Wikipedia 360.000 but there are > > about 120.000 articles that are not the same. If we copy from them the > > articles we don't have then Catalan Wikipedia can grow to 480.000 > articles > > suddenly and page-views can grow about 15%. Copied articles have to > contain > > links to the source and acknowledge authors. Their traffic can easily be > > duplicated. > > I don't think that copying articles is the way to go. If the two > projects have separate articles on the same subjects that's still a very > good thing. They can still maintain their "professional" standards, > whatever that means. The reader can compare the two and draw his own > conclusions. > > > So their balance is affected by: > > *Save costs by using free software. > > *Save costs and grow faster by reusing contents from wikipedia. > > *More than duplicate income from advertisement. > > *Possibility to increase their incomes from governmental aids and grants > by > > publishing using free licenses. > > > > Summing up all this the impact in profits is huge. I tried to convince > them > > one year ago but until now I have not succeeded. I think the main barrier > > is fear to some for profit company copying their content and exploiting > it > > commercially like them. > > Indeed! You are presenting them with a counter-intuitive business model. > If they believe in an expert reviewed project they still have to market > it that way. > > > But don't worry. I can be very persistent. > > I've noticed. :-) > > Ray > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:36:19 -0700 > From: Robin McCain <ro...@slmr.com> > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, > Britannica to stop printing books > Message-ID: <4f613983.5060...@slmr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I don't think it is pity to reduce an 800 word article down to under 200 > words. Instead of something readable you end up either with a Who's Who > entry - filled with insider abbreviations and obscure wording that must > be decoded or something so bland it has no value to anyone intrested > enough to look it up. > > On 3/14/2012 4:41 PM, foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > > Dear Robin, > > > > There are several reasons for making a text not too long. Pity with > > the reader is one of them. > My point here is that even Brittanica is inherently very English > centric. Why should an obscure ficticious 17th century event in the U.K. > be of more value than an equally obscure event in Honduras (or > wherever)? If I were living in Honduras, I'd be much more interested in > MY local history - which is quite likely to be relevant to my situation > instead of something in a country I'd never visited. Inverting the > situation - If I visit the U.K. I want to be able to access information > on the event in the U.K. but I don't care about Honduras. This is an > ordinary person's perspective - not that of a scholar searching for > obscure information wherever it may be. > > > I personally try to be reluctant with generalizations about Wikipeda > > language versions. They usually are not true. It's often like the > > thing that the grass in the neighbour's yard is greener. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:21:18 +0100 > From: Svip <svi...@gmail.com> > To: r...@slmr.com, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, > Britannica to stop printing books > Message-ID: > <caf+km1+gkn8vidqwh8jso7ye54vbhd0zuf6n4m2y21x9nx7...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 14 March 2012 17:34, Robin McCain <ro...@slmr.com> wrote: > > > I find it bizarre that inclusion of information of local importance is > > encouraged in the internationalized local language wikipediae but > > discouraged in the U.S. English wikipedia. > > What U.S. English Wikipedia? I have read plenty of articles in > English on that Wikipedia. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:42:05 -0700 > From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.w...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, English Wikipedia > <wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Foundation-l] sad news > Message-ID: > <CAAi3vqEN6=HUpmOsd37X_tEcR1=bjHtm_MK-5WsZH2Hp=f2...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Those of you who have been around for a few years may remember > user:Tlogmer, aka Ben Yates -- co-author with Charles Matthews and I > on "How Wikipedia Works." > > I got an email from his mother this morning with the very sad news > that Ben passed away yesterday. I do not know the details. He was in > his 20s and lived in Michigan, USA. > > There will be a memorial service in Michigan on Friday; contact me if > you want that information. His userpages are > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tlogmer > and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tlogmer > > For several years Ben wrote a blog about Wikipedia that was incisive > and widely read. Older posts can be found here: > http://wikip.blogspot.com/ > > He also designed the Wikimania logo with the two "w"s; originally > designed for Wikimania 2006, we use it to this day: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_%28spacing%29.png > > Ben was a skilled artist and designer and was responsible for all of > the figures in "How Wikipedia Works." He also designed posters and > graphic materials for Wikimania and proposed many other merchandise > designs to promote Wikipedia. > > He was funny, smart, and shy; I never had a bad interaction with him. > I worked with him intensively for many months but never got a chance > to meet him in person, but I counted him as a friend long after we > finished the book. He will be missed. > > If you have any comments that you would like to be given to his family > or read at the service, please post them on Ben's talk page or send to > me directly. Wikimedia was meaningful to Ben, and it would mean a lot > to let his mom that people cared about her son as a colleague and > friend. > > thanks, > -- Phoebe > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:54:31 -0500 > From: Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop > printing books > Message-ID: > <CAELXKR+ZfmYr04K=gT_Kwu0SDDp0XTn53XfCY=bg7z2+b0a...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Ray Saintonge <sainto...@telus.net> > wrote: > > > > I don't think that copying articles is the way to go. If the two > projects > > have separate articles on the same subjects that's still a very good > thing. > > They can still maintain their "professional" standards, whatever that > > means. The reader can compare the two and draw his own conclusions. > > > > > I don't agree. Once copied back to Wikipedia the articles are open for > continued editing and expanding- for better or worse. Then we have a > comprehensive comparison between the article as it was when taken from > Wikipedia, what it looked like when rewritten and given back, and the > current state. It could make for an interesting paper. I don't think that > the Catalan Wikipedia just protects the articles and leaves them as done, > do they? > > -- > ~Keegan > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:01:15 +1000 > From: "K. Peachey" <p858sn...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Guidelines for the use of iframes? > Message-ID: > <cadnecnvxie78+htd1n5a0r3kwwtahb8wtzdufvvksg3ec52...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > That should be reverted right now per our privacy policy and any > others on site. No different than share button usage. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:30:02 -0500 > From: MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Guidelines for the use of iframes? > Message-ID: <cb86f69a.1874...@mzmcbride.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > K. Peachey wrote: > > That should be reverted right now per our privacy policy and any > > others on site. No different than share button usage. > > As far as I've come to understand it, it's a matter of whether Jobvite's > privacy policy is compatible with Wikimedia's: > > * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy > * http://recruiting.jobvite.com/privacy-policy.php > > I don't know the answer, but I imagine someone will be along in short order > to clarify. > > MZMcBride > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:34:22 -0700 > From: Erik Moeller <e...@wikimedia.org> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Guidelines for the use of iframes? > Message-ID: > <CAEg6ZHkVNQ20Lz_k3-=2=ibjqvzvteyc8boo-wtmdxrgk6k...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > HR recently switched to an externally hosted applicant tracking system > called Jobvite. It's sadly proprietary, but very feature-rich and used > by many tech companies, including e.g. Mozilla. Basically the previous > process was for candidates to be dumped in a shared inbox, where > recruiters and hiring managers would have to keep track of them with > the aid of tracking spreadsheets and lots of emails. An ATS automates > a lot of the tracking and workflows, and helps ensure that people > don't get dropped. It also sends hiring managers reminders to submit > all the required hiring documentation, etc. So in general it's a good > thing, although we sometimes curse at aspects of its UI. > > The rationale for the iframe is to automate the job listings on the > WMF site and surface the various Jobvite features. > > Yes, that means that the user's browser will contact hire.jobvite.com > when loading the page (although all its resources will be loaded in > the context of the iframe). AFAICT the main issue here is to clarify > in the footer that job applications and job descriptions are run > through an external service called Jobvite and subject to the Jobvite > privacy policy, to avoid any confusion. > > Whether the iframe is a good idea still remains to be seen. Jobvite > makes it unnecessarily hard to link to JDs directly (because their > ideology is that everyone should come through some social media > funnel, I think), and the navigation is heavily JS dependent right > now. So we might want to switch back to a hybrid format. The job pages > are also still actively being re-designed, and the setup might change > significantly in coming weeks. > > Erik > -- > Erik M?ller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:06:50 -0400 > From: Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> > To: r...@slmr.com, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, > Britannica to stop printing books > Message-ID: > <caatu9wlkc70xg0t-d9pez5g1qcq08jpzfdootcftbii1xgq...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Robin McCain <ro...@slmr.com> wrote: > > I find it bizarre that inclusion of information of local importance is > > encouraged in the internationalized local language wikipediae but > > discouraged in the U.S. English wikipedia. ?So events of local interest > in a > > town in Romania are desirable but the same cannot be said of a similar > event > > in San Jose, California. > > In general I think we should be relaxing notability guidelines so that > we can cover increasingly local knowledge, while improving our > browsing and review tools -- so people can both visually perceive the > spectrum of notability (from hyperlocal to epochally historic) and > more effectively review topics that have coverage in more local and > less globally-reputable sources. > > Small wikis don't need to worry about the side effects of having a > large database with limited tools to review it. > > S > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > End of foundation-l Digest, Vol 96, Issue 54 > ******************************************** > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
