On 15 feb. 2012, at 19:07, Béria Lima wrote: > Jan > > Provide me a link to work > and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea > sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion > and being condescending like you. >
Actually that was not condescending (if anything: sarcasm?) A good example of condescending would be if you cannot be bothered to address someone by their proper name (say continually calling them Jan instead of Jan-Bart) even when several people have pointed out to you what the correct name is. Anyway, to end this thread: looking forward to your contributions on the relevant meta pages (for example: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_and_Funds_Dissemination/draft_Board_resolution) Jan-Bart > Here we can't solve anything. > _____ > *Béria Lima > > **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > On 15 February 2012 16:01, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org>wrote: > >> >> On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote: >> >>> Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I >> will >>> not put my faith in another >>> "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" >> Committe. >> >> Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you... >> >>> >>> When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of >> how >>> it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will >>> have we can talk. >> >> Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point >> >>> >>> Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. >> We >>> can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we >> have >>> the data. >> >> Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming >> years and send you the data around 2015 :) >> >>> >>> ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any >>> meaningless talk. >>> _____ >> >> I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless >> talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and >> foundation). >> >> Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help >> think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will >> never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times) >> >> Jan-Bart >> >> >>> *Béria Lima* >>> * >>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >> livre >>> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir >>> esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>> >>> >>> On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org >>> wrote: >>> >>>> this would be called: too much drama >>>> >>>> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my >>>> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... >>>> >>>> Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to >>>> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for >>>> weeks on end. >>>> >>>> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try >> to >>>> think in opportunities rather that not think at all. >>>> >>>> Jan-Bart >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote: >>>> >>>>> Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? >>>>> You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least >> choose >>>>> the way we are going to die? >>>>> _____ >>>>> *Béria Lima* >>>>> >>>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a >>>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <bishakhada...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk < >> vand...@wmnederland.nl >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevre...@wikimedia.org>: >>>>>>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the >>>>>>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of >>>>>>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came >>>>>>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF >>>>>>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a >>>>>>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range >> of >>>>>> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally >>>> sceptical of >>>>>> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more >>>>>> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history >>>> of MR >>>>>> since 2010 July, when it began. >>>>>> >>>>>> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of >>>>>> discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Bishakha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Then we would have a more >>>>>>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a >>>>>>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> Ziko >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland >>>>>>> dr. 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