On 22 January 2012 23:09, Mike Godwin <mnemo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I disagree - the null hypothesis is that the gain from lobbying isn't >> worth the cost, not that the gain is zero. (Cost includes far more >> than just monetary cost, of course.) > > Ah, then the proper experiment would have been for Wikipedians not to > black out enwiki for a day and see how effective that was in changing > the debate?
Of course not. If you were going to do that kind of experiment, you would need to both blackout Wikipedia and not black it out and compare the two. Obviously, that isn't possible. Not everything lends itself to such simple experimentation. > Because, as you know, the blackout did entail a significant non-monetary > costs. Of course, and very difficult ones to quantify, which makes analysing this sort of thing even harder. > The trick, of course, is that political experimentation of this sort > is similar to human experimentation generally -- the risk is that the > experiment, for all you learn from it, leads to negative consequences > down the line. My own view is that the blackout was unquestionably the > right thing to do, and I'm hugely proud to be associated in my own > small way with the people who took the risk of making our voices heard > this time. That's a good analogy. The approach often taken with studies about humanity is not to do experiments (because they can be harmful) but instead to examine things that have already happened or are happening anyway. You could make some progress in working out how effective lobbying is for non-profits by comparing countries where such lobbying is common and countries where it isn't, or by comparing sub-sectors where it is common and sub-sectors where it isn't. It wouldn't surprise me if someone has done some research like that. As an expert on the subject, I was hoping you would know about some. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
