On 10/30/11 5:57 PM, Mateus Nobre wrote: > Do you really think a traditional (you know, traditional in Wikipedia > equivalent to bureaucratic) communication and social system, friendship-free, > at wikis reduces the efficiency? Why the friendship and camaraderie in > editions and talk should reduce the efficiency of quality? Why working in a > pleasant ambiete worse results. I think economists and business-men disagree > with you. > > For your e-mail I found that you are probably Russian. You probably have read > Tolstoi, Anna Karênina. Using a literary example, Lievin, the landowner, > greatly increased his profit by changing the method of work of his moujiks. > The moujiks used to work in bad taste and bad-tempered when just followind > orders in a bad envronment. When Lievin adopted a collaborative approach, > when the moujiks could work without the several rules at a amicable > environment, profits rose. > For Wikis is the same thing. Only the ideals are not enough. We have to have > a friendly, a pleasant, a nice environment. We've to make the time of > editions a good time to us. We've to smile editing Wikipedia. And know our > work is important to the community, moral support. Wikilove make Wikipedia > less a obligation and more a thing which we need every single day. This is > the point. > > _____________________ > MateusNobre
Efficiency has never been a part of Wikipedia's mission, but then, neither has community-building. Collaborative communities build around an objective, in our case to assemble an encyclopedia. The efficient person, like Gogol's Chichikov, too easily roams the countryside collecting dead souls. a good product constantly renews itself in a cycle of thesis, antithesis and synthesis, and that's not efficient. Nor can it be accomplished in a divided community.. Ray > >> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:22:27 +0400 >> From: pute...@mccme.ru >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove >>> When I spoke ''family'' I wanted to say we need a more likable system of >>> communication. We need a real collaborative method, which not only fit for >>> the editions, but for the treatment of users too. We're a big family >>> working for a common objective: a world in which every single human being >>> can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. >>> >>> Why we treat ourselves like co-workes when we have so many things in >>> common? Why we have to be a firm when we could be friends who works >>> together for the common good? Why not reduce the unnecessary bureaucracy >>> among the editors communication with Wikilove? It's just a way to make the >>> Wikimedia projects friendly and really collaborative! >> Just because often it contradicts efficiency. Some people come here to >> make friends, other come to have the job done (some of them have an agenda, >> and others just want indeed to increase the sum of knowledge). For me >> personally, making friends sounds like opposite to efficiency, because I >> care about quality first. I see from the discussions that there are people >> like me. I also know there are many people unlike me, for whom the >> collaborative aspect is more important than the result. This is fine with >> me. I just do not want any universal decisions to be made under assumptions >> that we are all alike. We are not. >> >> Cheers >> Yaroslav >> _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
