On 10/16/11 2:53 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > In the last weeks i hold myself back and watched over the comments at > multiple places to see what is the current development. At first i have > to point out that I'm very disappointed by the current progress. Sue > called for a more general discussion. Ting stated again, like in > Nürnberg, that it is already decided. That is controversial in itself > and can't lead to a constructive discussion.
It also means that contributors to the conversation are more likely to respond defensively. > That aside, I looked at the various comments and the "brainstorming" > pages. It is really boring to look at them, since 99% of the comments > miss the point. There are a whole lot of comments regarding how the > image filter should look like. That are all comments/suggestions not > related to the fundamental questions. But they only serve to disrupt the > thought progress, ignoring anything aside how it should look like, and > even ignoring the basic complaints (non-neutral categorization). I may have suggested something like a filter some five of seven years ago, at about the time categories were newly implemented. There was no support, so I quickly dropped the idea. My view remained more or less stable until the current controversy blew up. I have now drifted away from my original views; there has been so much personalised verbiage that I now find it difficult to know what the issue is. > The first question should be: Is controversial content a problem for the > project? > > Some might now say "yes" or "no". But I'm not interested in this > answers. I'm also not interested in single examples. I'm interested in > whole view and sources that speak in general about this question. > > If we might come to the conclusion that there is a general (not > specific) problem, then we might talk about the image filter and if it > can be a solution to that problem. > I agree. Obsession about reputation can mask the problem too. Describing single examples is about as helpful as testimonials in the ads for patent medicines. Ray _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
