On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Friday 30 September 2011 10:54 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Bishakha Datta<bishakhada...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Milos Rancic<mill...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 16:24, Risker<risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Milos, I believe this is exactly the kind of post that Sue was talking > >>> about > >>>> in her blog. It is aggressive, it is alienating, and it is > intimidating > >>> to > >>>> others who may have useful and progressive ideas but are repeatedly > >>> seeing > >>>> the opinions of others dismissed because they're women/not women or > >> from > >>> the > >>>> US/not from the US. The implication of your post is "if you're a woman > >>> from > >>>> the US, your opinion is invalid". Your post here did not further the > >>>> discussion in any way, and I politely ask you to refrain from making > >> such > >>>> posts in the future. > >>> As mentioned by Nathan and Oliver, I want to hear what do women think > >>> about the filter, how does it correlate with positions of men and how > >>> does it correlate with cultures. > >>> > >> I am not convinced that all women feel the same way about the filter, > nor > >> all men - similarly, cultures are not homogenous. It is hard to > generalize > >> on any of these bases (plural of 'basis'), because there is no simple > >> correlation. > >> > >> Different individuals can have different responses, regardless of gender > or > >> culture. It doesn't tie in so neatly. > >> > >> Speaking for myself, no, I can't see myself using the filter. So what? > That > >> doesn't mean I use myself as a proxy for the rest of the world to decide > >> that no one else should, or that anyone who does is somehow a lesser > human. > >> And yes, I'm against censorship, but as I've said before, I don't see > the > >> filter as proposed as censorship. > >> > >> The world is made up of different folks, whether we like it or not. And > >> just > >> as we provide for the person who doesn't flinch when seeing a vulva, why > is > >> it so wrong to even think about the person who does flinch when he or > she > >> sees a vulva? That's what I don't get. > >> > > Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other > > euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets to see > and > > what not. It should not be our job to censor our own content. The > strongest > > argument I read against this has been - it is not something WMF and the > > board should implement and develop, If there was a need to censor/cleanse > > graphic content, there would a successful mirror or a fork of the project > > already somewhere. Instead, we have small distributions/projects which > use > > 1-2 year old offline dumps to cleanse and then consider safe. > > > > Now, If you were to apply this argument to a government, or a regime and > > they decide on removing things that make them flinch - how different > would > > we be from dictatorial regimes who limit/restrict access to Wikipedia for > > all the people that do flinch? I can point to Indian I&B ministry issues > or > > Film censor board of India, but you probably know more about them than > me. > > > There is a big difference between *ratings* and *censorship*, a > difference which the Indian government has routinely ignored or > deliberately overlooked, as, I suspect is happening here in this > discussion. Naturally, there are circumstances where ratings systems can > be used to create effective censorship, but this doesn't have to be the > case, and indeed isn't in various parts of the world - evidenced by the > fact that virtually every country in the world has a ratings system for > film. (Including Germany, by the way). > How about an encyclopedia? Anywhere? Are you suggesting a rating system for an encyclopedia? Theo _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
