And of course this is a huge usability problem. Imagine I'm travelling in the Netherlands and use a public computer in an Internet cafe. I don't have an account on TranslateWiki, the auto language select is actually working (it doesn't appear to be working right now), and I don't speak a word of Dutch. There is no reason to not have a language selector like on Commons, or some kind of list or bar somewhere on the mainpage to let users switch.
2011/9/29 Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> > M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log > in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change > it > to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language). > > As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, > I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. > _____ > *Béria Lima* > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a > fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* > > > On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson <node...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, > in > > response to Gerard's comment: "Obviously, you can select any language you > > like." - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it > > anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a > button > > or anything like that... > > > > > > 2011/9/29 Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the > browser > > > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good > > match. > > > > * > > > > > > > > > No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in > > > Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English > > version > > > of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my > > language > > > - > > > In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. > > > _____ > > > *Béria Lima* > > > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 > > > > > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > > > livre > > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos > a > > > fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* > > > > > > > > > On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the > browser > > > > language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good > > match. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > 2011/9/28 M. Williamson <node...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who > > > don't > > > > > speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't > > > speak > > > > > English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/to > > a > > > > > page > > > > > with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least > > > > > rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an > > > > > unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. > > > > > However, > > > > > > it > > > > > > has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of > > the > > > > > > translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 <to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form > > which > > > > > allows > > > > > > > easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated > > > > > unfortunately > > > > > > > making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy > > was > > > > > > applied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 <to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my > > > commons > > > > > > > > userpage. Consider something like > > > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v > > > > > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de > > > > > > > > Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style > > > issues > > > > > and > > > > > > > > etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate > > but > > > > > > > expecting > > > > > > > > them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is > > just > > > > too > > > > > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to > > > keep > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. > For > > > > > example > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a > > > > wikimania > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > year. It would only make sense if these "current events" are > > > > > templated > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/9/27 Mono mium <monom...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Might make sense. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 <to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because > it > > > > > appears > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >> > difficult to update. Each translation is more or less > > outdated > > > > and > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > >> > with an outdated/older style. I propose a template > structure > > > > where > > > > > > > style > > > > > > > >> > info is "removed" into a template and translations only > deal > > > > with > > > > > > > words. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Feel free to comment at: > > > > > > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) > > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > > >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > >> > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >> foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
