On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:25:05AM -0700, phoebe ayers wrote: > The difference lies in our role as active editors (vs the librarian > role as curators), making active choices; a reference work is a > different kind of project from a library. It also lies in a difference > in intent -- what the ALA speaks out about is labeling that is > intended to restrict access. None of our labeling intends to restrict > access to anything for anyone.
I guess this is where we get to the point where I disagree with you Phoebe :) We both agree that restricting access is evil. I think you believe there is a way in which we can make a labelling scheme for filtering that is not intended to restrict access. I believe that filtering is -per definition- a form of restricting access. The proposed filter itself is fairly benign.However, the same labels that are used on wikipedia to help good people to restrict themselves being exposed to bad pictures, can equally be used by bad people to restrict access to good pictures. I have the impression you believe in the good in people. :) I do too. Rotten apples are very rare! In this case though, I think it only takes just one rotten apple to ruin everyone's day. So we need to plan to ensure that there is no way the rare rotten apple can subvert our work. I know you believe that this is possible. We have a smart community, surely someone can come up with a working solution. I'm not so sure. My experience is that filters and their databases tend to have all kinds of unintended side effects and collateral damage. I've never seen it go right. Wikipedia would be the first time that it ever did. I'm not saying it's entirely impossible. Just that apparently it is very hard. And if we accidentally miss something, it's going to ruin our day, our month or even our year. If we succeed, we anger our friends, and our enemies will only clamor slightly less loudly. I'm not sure we will reach many new people. I have seen some reports, but none answered that particular question afaik. (Have I missed anything?) If we happen to fail in the wrong way, one worst case scenario is that our mission becomes doomed. (If I were evil, I'd know exactly how to make that happen) So it's a high risk, low reward kind of play, in my personal assesment. The board has said that they want this. I think they surely must have a different risk assesment. :-) So that explains some of my practical reasons for being somewhat skeptical -not of the filter- but of the category system behind it. sincerely, Kim Bruning _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l