On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Philippe Beaudette < pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> David Gerard wrote: > > Ban Twinkle? The tool seems to directly encourage problematic behaviour. > > > In my opinion, this would be suboptimal. The truth is, that tool made > my life easier when I was admin-ing on a regular basis. But perhaps > cutting out particular problematic "features" wouldn't be a terrible idea. > > pb > > -- > ________________________ > > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > phili...@wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > Suboptimal? Yes. This gets into a dirge... Automated tools like Twinkle, Huggle, Igloo, the now defunct VandalProof and RickK's tool serve useful purposes. It allows review through an interface and easy clicks to solve the issue at hand. Misuse comes when Wikipedia is viewed as the massive multi-player online role-playing game that anyone can edit, and speed, edit counts, and first to report to AIV or a noticeboard are psychologically construed as "points" toward building your character. What has been lost is instilling that there is no deadline, things can be removed, so take a moment to *check* what you're doing with these tools. For me, Lupin's tool is the only one I still use because it provides onwiki .js links to show edit, history, diff, rollback, undo, and warn options. With time to check these features, I'm usually too late and the rollback has been undertaken by one of the faster tools. However, this gives me the opportunity to review the use of them and in probably 15% of the cases undo what the patroller acted upon with far too much haste to get the rush of vandal fighting. On the flipside, with so many page views an edits exponentially increased since the first scripts rolled out over six years ago, such haste may make waste but it is quite impossible to scan all recent changes and be swift without such tools. Two edges to the sword. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l