2011/2/22 Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipe...@zog.org>: > One interaction I encountered recently is typical. Michiel Hendryckx, one of > Belgium's best-known photographers, started uploading fairly > high-resolution, good quality images to Wikipedia (well, Commons) on 3 July > 2010. Stuff like this 1983 Chet Baker portrait: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chet675.jpg > > The first message on his talk page was a request to confirm his identity > (which he did). > > The second message was a complaint by Nikbot (no valid license for one > particular image). A couple of hours later, at 10:51 on 4 July, the next > message is from CategorizationBot, asking Hendryckx to add categories to his > images.
This is where it starts. Thousands of our users have their first interactions with a bot or with a user leaving a template. We're unlikely to alter our practice to completely abandon bots and talk page templates (although we can improve our software to give more direct user feedback which makes bots and automated messages unnecessary, e.g. for something like missing categories), but while we're still using them, we really need to pay more attention to what they are saying. IMO every single Wikimedia project would benefit from dedicated community effort to 1) catalog the most widely used templates on talk pages, 2) systematically improve them with an eye on the impact they can have on whether people feel their work is valued and the environment in which they're contributing is a positive and welcoming one. This is something that anyone can help with, right now. The messages left by CategorizationBot are an example of the issues with our current and approach. There's only very limited acknowledgment of the user's valuable contribution, there's no explanation what the message represents (is it a warning, a reminder, what?), there's no invitation to turn off the message if it's not wanted, there's immediate and unexplained use of jargon like "image description page", and the overall message sounds like "You've done something wrong, please fix it and ask for help if you need it". All of this drives towards rules-compliance and against shared ownership of community norms and practices. Specifically with regard to this message, I've left some suggestions for improvement here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Please_link_images/en I'm not saying that the suggested changes are a vast improvement, but I think that's the kind of conversation we need to be having. Obviously we don't want fake friendliness and personality in our bots and templates, but at the same time, I think we should strike a tone and use language that's consistent with the culture we want to create. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
