I've been following this thread and it occurred to me that Phoebe is the lone woman posting to it, so I feel somewhat duty-bound to share my own perspective as a woman editor on English Wikipedia. I don't intend this to encapsulate everything that there is to be said on the subject, and it's a topic I could probably write forever on, so I will only share a few of my observations.
At the time I joined the project, many female administrators and editors were experiencing serious harassment, both on- and off-wiki;while I won't say that scared me away from Wikipedia, it was part of my motivation to select a gender-neutral username and to not openly disclose that I am a woman until a considerable time after I first logged in. (I think most members of the community only discovered I was a woman during my Request for Adminship, and I am still referred to as "he" on a regular basis.) Once my "femaleness" was publicly known, I found there was a definite change in the way that some (but not most) male editors and administrators interacted with me. There's even a comment on my RfA by someone who apologised for teasing me because he didn't realise I was a "lady". At the same time, because so few women are participating in the various projects, those of us who are visible are often asked to take on additional roles over and above that of editor/administrator. This is both good and bad. In my current role as an arbitrator on my home project, I rarely have the time to do the work that originally brought me to Wikipedia, and I miss being able to spend a rainy Sunday afternoon hitting "random page" and wikignoming my way through a few dozen articles, or clearing out the "speedy deletion" pages. On the other hand, I know I probably have a disproportionate influence on various policies and practices, and I hope that my visibility encourages other women to step into leadership roles or even, for that matter, to feel comfortable in self-identifying as female. Reading through this thread, I understand Ryan's interpretation of Greg's post and, to be honest, my own interpretation might well have been somewhat similar....if I didn't know Greg. I've met Greg and spoken to him. Just the other night, Greg and I spent the better part of an hour hammering out a step-by-step guide for one aspect of the pending changes variation that is currently undergoing trial on English Wikipedia, and I know beyond doubt that our ability to work together wasn't affected in any way by the fact he's a "he" and I'm a "she". I don't think it's particularly healthy to expect everyone to write in a way that causes no offense to anyone, but I think we all need to be cognizant that *anything* we say can be misread with best intentions. Eugene hits on an important point: the unintentional seepage of the locker room, which to me includes the use of aggressive language, into various communication channels. I moderate several other mailing lists, and from time to time I've had to step in and point it out fairly bluntly ("there's too much testosterone in this thread"); to be honest, I think this mailing list could use someone saying that a little more often. I can't be bothered investing my valuable time into reading a lot of chest-thumping and finger-pointing, so worthwhile points made in those posts aren't hitting their target. It's my observation that women participants are less willing to invest their time and energy into the endless and circular debates that masquerade as consensus-seeking discussions, and they just move on to something they feel is of greater value. (Many male participants also do the same thing, I should note.) For those who are aware of the endless behavioural debates on various projects, I need to point out that this isn't about civility. I've noticed that experienced wikimedians are very talented at throwing insults at each other without once crossing the civility boundaries. As I say, these are just a few of my own observations. They've all affected my own participation in the project, and I know they have, to varying degrees, affected the way that other women participate in various projects. I don't know whether there's anything that could change most of them, either. Risker/Anne _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l