Well, I would have liked to mean, English speaking people is only 2/60 global population, it would be obvious though, I'd like to give a stat collection.
Cheers, On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Aphaia <aph...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 3:03 AM, <susanpgard...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry for top-posting. >> >> Austin, think about who "everyone" is. The folks here on foundation-l are >> not representative of readers. The job of the user experience team is to >> try to balance all readers' needs, > > > Sue, not personal, but I think here I say, joining to the choir which > Jon and Eia began: > while English Wikipedia is the most visited websites of the Wikimedia, > it is only 50% and most of its readers are English Speaking. They have > no good reasons I believe to representative the rest of us non-English > speaking people who are 2/60 of this planet. > > What is the good reason usability team thought data from English > Wikipedia visitors' behaviors and alone were enough to design for all > other 200+ languages' readership? It looks me an obvious mistake in > opposition of your statement. > > which is not easy, and will sometimes involve making decisions that > not everyone agrees with. People here have given some useful input, > but I think it's far from obvious that the user experience team has > made a "mistake.". (I'm not really intending to weigh in on this > particular issue -- I'm speaking generally.) >> >> Aryeh Gregor has said a couple of very smart things in this thread, >> particularly this bit I'll quote below: >> >> "Users don't explicitly complain about small things. They >> especially don't complain about things like clutter, because the >> negative effect that has is barely perceptible -- extra effort >> required to find things. But if you take away a feature that's >> important to a small number of users, or that's well established and >> people are used to it, you'll get lots of complaints from a tiny >> minority of users. Basing development decisions on who complains the >> loudest is what results in software packed with tons of useless and >> confusing features and lousy UI. Like most open-source software, >> including MediaWiki. Good design requires systematic analysis, >> ignoring user complaints if the evidence indicates they're not >> representative." >> >> Thanks, >> Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Austin Hair <adh...@gmail.com> >> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:56:26 >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad >> Idea, part 2 >> >> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, David Levy <lifeisunf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Austin Hair wrote: >>> >>>> And yes, I'll echo others when I question the original rationale and >>>> suggest that the interpretation of what very little data was collected >>>> is completely wrong, but I think I'll direct my focus toward a >>>> practical fix, rather than just calling the usability team stupid. >>> >>> Your last sentence surprised me, as I haven't seen anyone opine that >>> the usability team is stupid (and I certainly am not suggesting >>> anything of the sort). Everyone makes mistakes, and we believe that >>> one has been made in this instance. As for a practical fix, one >>> actually was implemented (and quickly undone). >> >> Sorry if that wasn't clear—I didn't mean to indict you or anyone else >> for doing that; all I meant was that although I, personally, could >> easily focus on mistakes the usability team made, the way forward is >> to simply fix it to everyone's satisfaction. >> >> Austin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
