Are inactive project in incubator really such a big problem? Could not be strict deadlines given to new projects in incubator the solution of this problem?
Jiri On Wednesday, 09. September 2009 16:10:26 Robin P. wrote: > In the past there were several project proposals on incubator, but we > deleted them because they were not active. Since then, tests for new WMF > projects are not allowed. If they were still allowed, Incubator would be > full of inactive projects. Even now, there are inactive test projects for > new languages, because the procedure is difficult and takes a very long > time. I assume requests for creating entirely new projects would require > even more difficult and longer procedures, resulting in an Incubator full of > inactive tests. > > 2009/9/9 Brian <brian.min...@colorado.edu> > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller <e...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > 2009/9/8 Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net>: > > > > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects? > > > > > > Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex > > > and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely > > > to engage in - especially considering that project ideas are often > > > proposed by people who aren't currently very active Wikimedians. > > > Perhaps we need to set up a formal system for long-time Wikimedians to > > > adopt ideas they're excited about, to help push them to approval? In > > > any event, if you want to add to the Wikimedia family, my guess is > > > that it's currently a commitment of 2-3 months of several hours per > > > week to get to that point, provided it's achievable to begin with. > > > > > > I do think that project adoption is something that we should explore > > > in the right circumstances; it's not something we've ever done but IMO > > > we should be open to it. I don't think OpenStreetMap or OpenLibrary > > > want or need to be adopted. ;-) But there may be other smaller > > > semi-successful projects that would like to join our project family, > > > and that would make sense as part of it. > > > > > > I would also make the point that adding capabilities to existing > > > projects can be just as effective at cultivating new communities of > > > participants as creating an entirely new wiki, and sometimes more so. > > > For example, as of a few weeks ago, there's now a fledgling community > > > of people on Wikimedia Commons who add annotations to images, because > > > a volunteer developed a cool image annotation tool. The entire > > > community of people adding categories to Wikipedia articles could only > > > form after the categorization functionality was developed. > > > > > > Because the Wikipedia community is so vast, adding capabilities that > > > engage more people on Wikipedia specifically, or improving access to > > > the existing capabilities, can have dramatically greater impact than > > > creating a blank-slate wiki. > > > > > > That is not to say that I think there should be no new blank-slate > > > wikis, or wikis with custom software, for specific purposes. But I > > > would also not see the fact that no new top-level Wikimedia project > > > has been created in recent years as a sign of stagnation - wonderful > > > capabilities have been created in the existing Wikimedia ecosystem in > > > that same time period, some of them with dramatic positive impact. > > > -- > > > Erik Möller > > > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > > > > > I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include > > entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need > > to > > be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value by > > attracting a community and creating great content. This would be more like > > the Apache Incubator, but even more open. This gives people an easy way to > > prototype their ideas for new projects, to advertise them, and over time > > will give an overview of what kinds of projects and approaches to projects > > are likely to succeed and likely to fail. > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- * . . . ... . M45 .. M1 . # . * . . Jiri Hofman . . Opiskelijankatu 38 B28 . * Tampere . ** 33720 ¤. . Finland **. * . . . . * * . . . * . . . * . * * . * gsm: +358504661860 . . +358504384197 * . http://www.aldebaran.cz/~hofmanj . * _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
