--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Marcus Buck <m...@marcusbuck.org> wrote:
> From: Marcus Buck <m...@marcusbuck.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs on Hungarian Wikipedia still not
> working
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 4:36 AM
> Birgitte SB hett schreven:
> > I hope someone is able to shortly fix this issue for
> you.
> >
> > However I think you have a mistaken idea about WMF.
> The reason people are wanted to join meta-projects is to
> ensure that their local wikis issues are understood. The
> meta-projects *are* hu.WP's projects, not competition for
> hu.WP. If you, or someone like you, is not part of
> foundation discussions to both speak up about hu.WP concerns
> and also to better inform hu.WP discussions about larger
> issues and trends, then how can hu.WP be properly cared for?
> Certainly everyone here wishes success for hu.WP and that
> her volunteers are active and happy. But for the most
> part, people here are not some abstract "WMF-people" who
> have neglected hu.WP. We are en.WS people or fr.WP
> people or de.WP people.
> >
> > I originally joined this list much like you did.
> Rather upset at what felt was attacks on en.WS's sincere
> efforts to do the right thing and general lack of help for
> us. These "WMF-people" had been talking about en.WS and
> saying we would have to delete the UK Hunting Act. I came
> here hoping to convince these people to actually help us:
> tell us exactly what copyright allows (very naive I know)
> rather than just dictating that our stuff be deleted without
> clarification. But I discovered that these
> "WMF-people" were no more than people just like me.
> Passionate people who found their way here with their feet
> still firmly planted in their own particular interests. They
> meant no harm to en.WS, but en.WS didn't rate very high in
> their concerns either. I quickly realized that someone
> from en.WS better keep on top of things here, before our
> interests got inadvertently squashed by someones pet
> issue. Or we merely got forgotten.
> >
> > So I understand how you might be hoping for for
> solutions and answers to be found here. I certainly did, but
> I learned it was a mistake to think there was such authority
> here. You will find opinions and ideas here. Sometimes you
> may find needed attention. (I hope this is the case today!)
> But the only real answer for solving hu.WP issues is to see
> that hu.WP is in WMF. hu.WP people must be in WMF
> people. hu.WP developers must be in WMF developers. hu.WP
> projects must be in WMF projects. Then hu.WP will find
> real answers and solutions. Or at least, they will
> find answers and solutions as well as anyone does.
> >
> > Birgitte SB
> >
> Well, on a general participation level it's all true, what
> you are
> saying. But looking at the actual issue "Flagged Revs at
> hu.wp" it's
> very clear: The Foundation pays staff to do administrative
> tasks local
> projects cannot do. It's their job to do it. And they
> haven't done the
> necessary steps in six weeks. Tisza/hu.wp have done what
> they needed to
> do: File a bug at Bugzilla. If the coordination would work
> properly that
> should suffice to get the job done. It didn't. He searched
> to directly
> contact people who can help about this.. And that didn't
> help too. So
> it's not Tisza's fault, he did it all right. The problem
> lies at the
> foundation level. Some processes are broken.
>
> There are two possible solutions: If we don't have enough
> manpower to
> handle all requests and bugs than the foundation should
> hire more staff
> (with millions in donations flowing in that should be no
> big problem).
> The second solution (the cheaper one) would be to create an
> interface,
> that allows local bureaucrats to switch on or off a set of
> approved
> extensions on their project. The interface would then run
> the needed
> scripts automatically. This interface needs to be written,
> but that's
> only one time and it will save much time and effort in the
> future.
>
> Marcus Buck
> User:Slomox
>
You cut off the part of Tisza's message with was not particularly about the
call for technical help. Those were the sentiments I was replying to. I don't
disagree that the bug should be fixed sooner. Every single wiki thinks their
bugs could be fixed sooner, and I have personally written about the need for
bugs to be prioritized better in the past. I have no disagreement there.
Birgitte SB
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