On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Andrew Turvey<andrewrtur...@googlemail.com> wrote: > First, if the conclusion is that no procedure exists, a notice should be put > on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects stating this > so that peoples' expectations are appropriately managed. > > Second, is that correct? Looking at > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Herero_Wikipedia > it seems that there certainly was a procedure in the past where articles > were shifted back into the Incubator. > > Most importantly, should there be a procedure? Keeping projects open is a > drain on resources, such as removing vandalism. There is a level of activity > below which the positive benefits of the project are outweighed by the drain, > although it's clearly not worth closing a project if the effort to do this is > not a worthwhile investment. > > Do you need particular user rights to action such requests? > > ----- "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Sent: Thursday, 20 August, 2009 19:01:39 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, >> Portugal >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Closure of projects >> >> Hoi, >> There is no procedure because what comes closest to a consensus amount to a >> lot of work. Work that does not forward our mission one iota. The fact that >> people vote and comment is not that special, people do ... if they vote that >> I will wear a tutu at Wikimania and a consensus says that I should, I still >> have to volunteer to wear that tutu. It is the same as voting for a bug in >> bugzilla. The votes are not considered so why bother ? >> >> As to the language committee, it does only consider new requests for >> projects ... if it were to expand its services it would be in indicating >> what issues exist that deal with language support that would make a >> difference to the usability of our software. It would not be drinking from >> the poisoned chalice that is closing projects. The closest we came to >> expressing an opinion is that we would prefer the content of a to be closed >> project to be imported into the Incubator. This is a not good for Incubator >> because they get dead wood loaded into their project .... >> >> So all in all in my opinion it is best to leave these things as is and >> ignore requests for closure. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> 2009/8/20 Huib! <abi...@forgotten-beauty.com> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > I noticed that there are still a lot of open request for closure on Meta >> > so I decided to contact a LangCom member (Robin) asking him about how >> > and when the projects will be closed or when the requests will be >> > closed, but I recieved a answer I didn't expected. >> > >> > Robin told me there was no policy ( >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects ) about the >> > closure of projects so the request can stay open for always. >> > >> > >> > I think its kind of strange that we people can make a request, that >> > there are people who are voting and spending there time commenting on >> > the request or even worse have stress because there project could be >> > closed but the request will never be closed. >> > >> > >> > Is there a way to change this with a new policy, or with a different com >> > for the closure, because this seems to me a waste of time for a lot of >> > people, people can stop editting projects just because the think the >> > project will be closed. >> > >> > At this moment there are 27 request for projects to be closed, ( >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects ) I think >> > 50% is a easy closure for keep or close. The oldest project is from 2007 >> > that would mean its still open after 2 years :/ >> > >> > -- >> > *Huib Laurens* >> > >> > Web: Forgotten-beauty.com <http://www.forgotten-beauty.com.com/> >> > Email: abi...@forgotten-beauty.com <mailto:abi...@forgotten-beauty.com> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > foundation-l mailing list >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >
The only user requirement for this is that a shell user has to perform the actual decision. The community makes the decisions about opening/closing new projects, and the sysadmins carry out the actual task. -Chad _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
