My point is that this situation has arisen many times in the past and the response is very frequently a simple "We can't help you, it's a local issue". Of course it should be dealt with at a local level but I think that the foundation should be a little less hands-off than it has often been when it comes to smaller communities where people have been allowed to wield tremendous influence just because they got to a wiki first.
Mark On 8/7/09, Birgitte SB <birgitte...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I don't know that it is useful to make a general policy for exceptions. I > think it is better just to watch out for such problems to pop up and try to > direct attention to them when they are noticed. > > I think it is a better use of time and energy to wait and react to the sorts > of extreme situation you suggest, rather than to seek to proactively verify > that no wikis are in danger of developing such situations. Not that I would > stop anyone form volunteering to take such task on. It is just that it is > very tricky. It probably would be more effective to wait till the locals > complain and ask for help than to try and step in and accuse admins, who > likely have put the most time and edits into the wiki, of mismanagement. > Oftentimes locals that even have disagreements with the admins will be > inclined to oppose your interference on the principal of solidarity, the > devil you know, etc. It is very touchy situation that leans towards > misunderstandings even when everyone speaks the same language. > > Birgitte SB > > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> From: Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - >> WP:NOT >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 3:41 PM >> I'm talking about more general >> policy, not ja.wp in particular. >> >> On 8/7/09, Birgitte SB <birgitte...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> > There are always extreme situations that merit >> exceptional treatment. >> > ja.WP, however, has a great deal more than 3 active >> users. >> > >> > Birgitte SB >> > >> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> >> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy >> Interlingual Coordinationn - >> >> WP:NOT >> >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" >> >> <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:45 PM >> >> Alright, but what about the case of a >> >> Wiki where there are perhaps 3 >> >> active users, and the administrator is imposing >> their will? >> >> It is the >> >> Foundation that gave the admins the power in the >> first >> >> place. I do >> >> believe that _most_ issues people want the >> Foundation to >> >> get involved >> >> in are best dealt with locally, but I feel there >> are some >> >> that should >> >> be dealt with at a higher level. Simply letting a >> >> megalomaniac run a >> >> Wiki as if it were their own personal fiefdom >> seems >> >> unacceptable to >> >> me. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Birgitte SB<birgitte...@yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> From: Mark Williamson <node...@gmail.com> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia >> Policy >> >> Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT >> >> >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" >> >> >> <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> >> >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:38 PM >> >> >> This problem of one or two >> >> >> strong-willed admins enforcing their >> will >> >> >> over others is not an uncommon problem at >> smaller >> >> Wikis. In >> >> >> many >> >> >> cases, uncommon or strange >> orthographies, >> >> nonstandard >> >> >> dialects, or >> >> >> strange editing rules have been enforced; >> people >> >> who >> >> >> complain are >> >> >> often ignored and referred back to the >> Wiki by >> >> foundation >> >> >> people >> >> >> because it's a "local" matter. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > The problem of a user dissatisfied with the >> actions of >> >> local administrators is not uncommon on any wiki. >> When >> >> people dissatisfied with local enforcement of >> non-foundation >> >> issues complain here they are often properly >> informed that >> >> it is a local matter and that the each wiki is >> >> self-governing. Frankly the autonomy of the >> wikis is >> >> hardly a choice, if you honestly consider the >> logistics of >> >> it. >> >> > >> >> > Birgitte SB >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > foundation-l mailing list >> >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > Unsubscribe: >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> foundation-l mailing list >> >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > foundation-l mailing list >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > >> >> >> -- >> skype: node.ue >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- skype: node.ue _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
