What if there were two image spaces?
________________________________ From: Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:06:19 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Some reflections about the governance of Commons On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Stan Shebs<stansh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> 2009/6/15 Rama Neko <raman...@gmail.com>: >> >> >>> Furthermore, I sometimes have the feeling that contributors of >>> Wikipedia expect us to host all sorts of unacceptable media in return >>> of the service that they provide; while we of course appreciate the >>> service projects, this is a problem, particularly when these files are >>> copyright violations. I don't have this feeling. There's some misunderstanding, though, with different conversations happening on different wikis. A better facility for discussion pages that are not tied to a particular wiki (or are replicated on more than one) would help mediate this. >>> In the particular case of Pikiwiki, it would of course be very >>> caricatural to say that all their images are copyvios. There are lots >>> of out-of-scope party snapshots, too. Fuzzy party pictures are an icon of the times. David Gerard writes: >> Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive? Yikes. I find the Commons community to be rewardingly inclusive... > I don't know if this makes me insular and derisive, but as a casual > onlooker to the Pikiwiki episode, I do worry that there is an attempt to > strongarm Commons into accepting material that would not normally be > able to get in. It worries me because if Commons loses its reputation as > a reliable source of free media, the that loss effectively contaminates > everything in the project - potential users will be unsure if my own > photos were really self-made, or I'm putting free licenses on material > that is not mine to give away. Absolutely. This is a contamination problem that affects most online media sites. (Jamendo is one I can think of off-hand that does the cleanest job of trying to confirm licensing of its free works) > For projects that have committed to only using Commons for media, the > pressure to accept borderline material is going to be intense, and it's > always going to be a secondary concern that the files are going to be a > problem for other clients of Commons. Projects experiencing that kind of > pressure should maybe consider re-instituting local uploads, which Actually, I would be content with a less-free repository for media not suitable for commons but still of use to at least one page on one Wikimedia project -- I would like to be able to monitor (and pressure to become totally free) all 'local upload' materials on a single wiki. The technical advantages of having a single way to call a file from multiple namespaces would still apply, but there could be strong pressure to replace any non-free media with free media ... while releasing some of this kneejerk pressure on Commons. In a similar vein, I'd like a wiki quarantine where I could post material that is mostly free but contains some non-free parts (a logo or something that needs removal) -- to allow a community of editors to see and revise it to make it freely available, without reinventing tools such as revision control, RC, &c. The idea of all of this would be to move towards 100% free projects and contents, but without the strain imposed by the current sharp edge. > allows for more gradual migration of material as it is determined to > meet Commons' standards, and takes away the pressure on Commons admins > to make snap decisions on tricky copyright issues. Right. Except there's no need to tie the advantages of gradual migration tot eh dsiadvantages and duplicated effort of local upload... SJ _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
