On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:05:43PM +0800, H wrote:
> Brian,
> It is usually the responsibility of the proposer to notify the
> community. I am very surprised that no one did.
They notified the simple community but did not mention that you had to
"prove" yourslef before commenting.
> Very early on I have asked the proposer to join the community and help
> fix the problems, and later again asked them to go back to the
> beginning to the original proposal of wikipedia:simple:
I noticed that. Very sensible.
> However you cannot talk when everybody has already got er finger on er
> trigger ready to shoot their {{support}} or {{oppose}}.
>
> It may be an interesting idea requiring a discussion on the local
> project to close it. However, meta is useful as a cross-wiki
> platform, and most closures requests are about inactive wikis, which
> are much less contraversial, and in which case "discussion on the
> local project" wouldn't work.
I agree. This discussion is quite different from a discussion on a small
wp that never got off the ground. It matters.
> I think the a lot of pro-closure commenters in current discussion on
> wikipedia:simple: has not bothered to think of the ideas of the other
> side, and can only think of problems abstractly and rather not to deal
> with them actually and locally. Maybe we can combine the ideas, that
> if there is substantial objection, the discussion of closure should be
> moved on the local project.
I agree. The discussion is not very deep. That was one of the things
that worried me.
> Still, I would say that meta, being open and multilingual, is not
> worse as a forum than this mailing list. ~~~~
Of course. That is why I want the very widest discussion and the final
decision to close something like htis to be taken at the most
authoritive level.
Brian.
>
> 2009/2/23 Brian Salter-Duke <b_d...@bigpond.net.au>:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 09:36:52PM -0500, Casey Brown wrote:
> >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Brian Salter-Duke
> >> <b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> >> > Yes, I missed the point about "any" project. However how is a user from
> >> > Simple who hears about the closure of their project to know that when
> >> > they go there to give their opinion, they have to prove their standing
> >> > in the community? I think this is just another example of how remote
> >> > Meta is for the average editor on other projects.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Most of them time, it's noted in the SiteNotice, the main page, and/or
> >> the main discussion page. (This is what's normally/should be done for
> >> the smaller wikis, at least.)
> >
> > Well in this case I'm missing it. Also, I do not know whether I am odd,
> > but I hardly ever look at the main page, the community portal, etc on
> > any of the projects I work on.
> >
> > Now on simple at:-
> >
> > http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal
> >
> > there is:-
> >
> > Proposal for closure
> > A proposal to close Simple English Wikipedia has been made.
> >
> > The first line is a link to the discussion on meta.
> >
> > I have not come across any other mention of this discussion on simple
> > and no mention of having to have 100 edits on other projects to
> > participate in the discussion on meta. How is the poor editor on simple
> > to know this, if s/he does not visit meta normally?
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Brian.
> >
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> >
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