2009/2/5 Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net>: > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects?
Marc, this may be a surprise to you, but you're not a lone voice in the wilderness. Everyone with experience knows that many of our communities are dysfunctional to a greater or lesser degree; we have hordes of people who fundamentally don't get along and don't seem to want to do so. It's not like we've all ignored it forever. Everyone who is committed to the projects wants a more pleasant working environment. We've wanted it for years, we've discussed it for years, and we've all tried to lance the boils in our own way (in some cases more dramatically than others). You can see the results we've had: viz, not a lot. It's not like we can put our foot down and say "play nice, now, guys" and things get better. If we could solve this problem easily, we'd have done it years ago. The reason you keep getting a "there he goes again" response on the lists is, well, that we keep hearing demands to do more from you, to somehow change the system. But the fact that we haven't done that yet isn't because no-one has ever listened to you - it means it's a damn big problem, and everything we've tried so far doesn't work. Being told to do it, when we all want to do it *and can't*, just gets people's backs up. So, please, if you know how we can make this situation better, *tell us*. Please explain, clearly and practically, what you think we need to do. You clearly have some understanding of the issue, but I hope you can see that you've really not been managing to communicate it to any of us! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
