It is interesting how the "power distance" thing is playing out here. :)
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:22, Sebastian Moleski <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Florence wrote: Sebastian wrote: > I don't really see why it would be more difficult. If numbers > increase, we have to change the format of some of the events during > the meeting. We could, for example, have full assembly sessions with > all chapter representatives combined with "committee > meetings/workshops" of a smaller size where not every chapter is > represented. The meeting would turn more into a sort of conference > which, as regards efficiency, isn't a bad thing at all. I don't agree much on the "efficiency" of a "conference" over a "meeting". I think they are two very different ways of people getting together. Which does not make one better than the other, they are just very different things. Florence wrote: >> Second, one person may speak in the name of its board on issues they >> have discussed previously. Far less on new discussions. And at the end >> of the discussion, the representant may not "vote" because legally >> speaking, only the entire board can take a decision. Sebastian wrote: > I don't agree that that's necessarily the case. It's entirely within > the realm of possibility for a chapter (board) to appoint a > representative who can make decisions/vote on behalf of the chapter. [snip] > On of the main issues I see here was that those attending the chapter > meeting had no "mandate" from their chapters to enter into any sort of > agreement. If that is addressed prior to the next meeting, i.e. each > chapter sends a representative with the necessary mandate to vote, I > don't see why we would not be able to make a decision at the meeting > that binds the chapters that attend. I tend to agree with you, but I believe you have to keep in mind many singularities within chapters. This, if it happens, would be a very big strech for some of the chapters, where decisions are made "collectively" all the time, and the decision is a product of "consensus" and debate, and can only with difficulties be handed to one person. Make it a cultural particularity or a wiki-culture heritage, whatever, but I think that some chapters might have a very hard time appointing who they consider "the right person" to make decisions that could engage the chapter for a long term plan of any kind. If only because their strength lies in having very different individuals in their board and/or membership, with different ideas, which act as synergy when put together, but could lead to a standstill if left "alone" (think for an extreme example, the person "mandated" says yes and then is disavowed by the board/the members etc.). To try and rephrase Florence's concerns expressed at the beginning, which were some of mine when we debated Wikimedia NYC in the chapters committee, let us try with and example. Today, it is great that Wikimedia has Wikimedia NYC, because it gives a great frame for people in metropolitan areas of the US to be active in a positive and helping way. My thought, however, is that it opens the door, to a potential of XX (hear many) US-based chapters, (as well as XX India-based chapters or XX-whatever-country-where-it-makes-perfect-sense-to-have-sub-national-chapters) to have a heavy (or even majority) representation of one country/culture(or approaching culture) within the "chapters body", if there is such a thing. I do believe it is something to consider. If decisions are made on a consensus basis, then maybe this does not have such an influence. As soon as you try and introduce some "voting" system or other, the balance might be heavily tipped one way and not reflect what would come out of a consensus, taking all particularities into consideration (which does not mean you have to accommodate them, but which does mean you have to look at them). But then, take all of the above with a grain of salt, I'm French, and we French think we deserve our place in the sun ;-) Delphine -- ~notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l