I do not "describe how - in your opinion - the conduct of the English Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation don't live up to those principles".
I'm actually simply pointing-out that the *stated* semi-transparency, and hierarchical structure, of Wikipedia/Wikimedia is contrary to the *stated* principles of transparency and no hierarchy. Nowhere in this thread have I stated that this is a good or bad thing in relation to Wikipedia/Wikimedia. James On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't see the conflict James Riggs is describing. You point to statements > of principles by Jimmy Wales, and then describe how - in your opinion - the > conduct of the English Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation don't live up > to those principles. Well, that doesn't shock me and it shouldn't shock you. > > > The English Wikipedia is quite transparent, more so than perhaps any > community or organizational structure I've encountered. Only mailing lists > that regularly deal with personal, private information are closed to the > community. Nearly all decision making of any weight is done on-wiki, with > complete access for anyone who wants it to all or mostly all discussion > precursors. > > The Wikimedia Foundation is a business, and by the standards of modern > business it is also quite transparent. Its financial information, its plans, > its employee roster, its job descriptions, its revenue and fund raising > model and its long term goals are all available for your discovery. Every > major decision that impacts the projects is discussed publicly ahead of > time. That *is* transparency, in my opinion. > > When someone who self describes as a "newbie" that has not joined in working > on the Wikimedia projects posts to the Foundation mailing list describing > what he believes to be a material mischaracterisation, he gets a response > from the founder and the deputy director (and former board member) in short > order. Try doing that with General Electric, or really nearly any other > corporation in the world. > > Your e-mails indicate that you concluded first and asked second, so > hopefully you will now reconsider. > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
