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On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Igor Costa <igorco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alex words are not bound directly to any person, but the lack of infra
> people who are in charge of doing supposed stuff.

While I agree to an extent it is imperative for us to understand how apache 
works. The problem with lodging complaints toward anything at apache is we 
don't really have a voice unless we are doing something to fix the problem. If 
someone comes on this list and starts complaining about what we don't have done 
in 3 months we point them to svn and Jira and say "patches welcome". You're 
mistaken if you think infra is much different. The difference with infra us 
that it takes a lot longer to build enough merit to gain trust. This is not 
because they are a closed club, but because they've had too many people come in 
and start something then leave then to support it. It's part of the culture 
around here. The fact that it's a mostly volunteer org instead of a corporate 
org is part of what makes apache great. Unfortunately the way infra is run is a 
side effect of that. 

Perhaps companies like Adobe could donate the money for an extra FT infra 
contractor along with their projects? Just a thought. 

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