I understand the point,
but i also adressed the question of open sourcing LCCS to apache flex,
as said in the following: (BTW i just received a new answer from Jeff
who is still considering open sourcing as one of the possible solutions)
"If Adobe is able to open source (at least a part of) LCCS lib like for
example the client side AS3 components and the FMS server side code
Is it a stupid idea to propose to add it to the apache flex? Maybe we
could replace the FMS server side dependency with a blazeDS based server
side (dont know at all if it makes sense)
and thus combining LCCS client side AS3 components (open sourced by
Adobe, dont think theres third party license issue for that part) with
blazeDS server side for messaging and Red5 for medias (which would be
out of Apache scope), we could get powerfull real time features all
opensourced. and no matter what happens to FMS in the future.
Maybe im dreaming a bit, but what you thing of it?
for example will blazeDS be donated to apache as a separated project or
will it be included in Apache flex?
because smaller project like this may not get a big enough community to
be a full standalone apache project, but if its included in flex
powerfull community it will help.
"
Le 30/03/2012 19:22, Igor Costa a écrit :
Sorry to interrupt the post on list. But if we're going to talk about only
in Adobe movements we will lose the focus of this list
Which I still remember is Flex project.
Please, let's keep focused.
Regards
----------------------------
Igor Costa
www.igorcosta.com
www.igorcosta.org
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:44 PM, sébastien Paturel
<sebpatu.f...@gmail.com>wrote:
Nicholas,
"A few people have popped up talking about ways around that that usually
involve external Java libraries."
Would you have more precise infos to provide on that please? im
interesting to know more.
Jeff message was more open minded regarding open source then that.
it says "To get the discussion started, here's some things I've looked at:
Open Source. We have looked at this as an option and it's simply not
viable for a number of reasons. There are dependancies on third party and
Adobe code that are extremely difficult to separate out. Some of this
code runs other services at Adobe that will continue to operate."
I read the following in another old thread: "and in any case the
application has large ties with our controlling application server, that in
turn has some ties with other Adobe services so it would need a lot of
cleanup to make it work standalone anyway".
So i see no reason why they would not accept to donate the AS3 client lib
code to Apache.
the issue is for server side code, but if theres only this part to rewrite
its quite better than doing the whole from scratch.
For FMS, wowza, Red5, i know it can be done but at what price in term of
coding efforts?
LCCS was great also because it was a high level component lib.
Thanks
Le 30/03/2012 17:03, Nicholas Kwiatkowski a écrit :
Sebastien,
Adobe has stated that they have no intentions in donating anything to do
with LCCS, and they are making no plans or efforts to open-source anything
to do with LCCS. They feel that it was a hosted ("rented") service, and
they have no obligation to do it. A few of us have already asked the
questions to Adobe, and they have repeated the same line.
There are workable solutions that you can build with other products --
FMS,
Wowza, Red5 -- for just about everything except for the screen sharing. A
few people have popped up talking about ways around that that usually
involve external Java libraries.
Aside from writing your own client code -- installing a Red5 server in AWS
and having it serve your content there is actually cheaper than LCCS for
most cases.
-Nick
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM, sébastien Paturel
<sebpatu.f...@gmail.com>wrote:
@All
If Adobe is able to open source (at least a part of) LCCS lib like for
example the client side AS3 components and the FMS server side code
Is it a stupid idea to propose to add it to the apache flex? Maybe we
could replace the FMS server side dependency with a blazeDS based server
side (dont know at all if it makes sense)
and thus combining LCCS client side AS3 components (open source by Adobe,
dont think theres third party license issue for that part) with blazeDS
server side, we could get powerfull real time features all opensourced in
Apache. and no matter what happens to FMS in the future.
Maybe im dreaming a bit, but what you thing of it?
for example will blazeDS be donated to apache as a separated project or
will it be included in Apache flex?
because smaller project like this may not get a big enough community to
be
a full standalone apache project, but if its included in flex powerfull
community it will help.
@Giorgo
sounds interresting but:
What is your already complete solution?
Where can we find infos about it?
What server side technology is it based on? FMS?
@Jitendra Jain
Can you please provide the quote and source of such announcement?
On my side i read that they will shut the service down december 31st,
even
for existing clients.
And the third party license issues are expressed only as an issue about
the option to open source LCCS, not as a reason to stop LCCS service.
@gabriel
Yes i already checked it. But tanks.
I already sent an email to Jeff Stanier and am waiting for answer.
The quote you provide is great but its not reassuring at all.
Thing is they announce they will shutt all down with a fixed date, and
then they try to find a smooth transition solution (which will take time
to
set up).
A real professionnal timeline would be more to first search for a smooth
transition, then announce the shut down date with the proper path to
continue business for existing clients.
After such a quote what should be my next move? Should i wait Adobe and
Jeff to find a smooth solution but without knowing when this solution
will
be available, and even not knowing if it will never be available?
During that wait the clock is ticking and theres only 9 month to set up a
solution.
Or should i start to take a lot of unpaid time to search and test any
other alternative, to finally see Adobe coming with a convenient smooth
solution 3 month later?
@jain saurabh
Red5 or wowza or other are more low level solutions, and before getting a
perfectly working solution to replace high level components of LCCS it
will
take a lot of work only to get things work as before.
Thanks All for you replies
Le 30/03/2012 14:55, Jitendra Jain a écrit :
Adobe has already said that it is going to support already existing
clients
even after discontinuing. Moreover this decision, which they have taken
is
because of third party license issues. It sounds more valid to me.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Gabriel De Repentigny<
gabriel.derepentigny@**bisonli**ne.com<http://bisonline.com><
gabriel.derepentigny@**bisonline.com<gabriel.derepenti...@bisonline.com>
wrote:
What shoudl i do now when im a freelance and my clients app will stop
running at the end of the year, and have no clear alternative?
If you haven't seen it already, you may want to check the LCCS forum
at
Adobe. There are several threads where people are discussing LCCS
alternatives and how to transition to them.
Also, Jeff Stanier from Adobe has a thread on that topic here:
http://forums.adobe.com/****message/4277140<http://forums.adobe.com/**message/4277140>
<http://forums.**adobe.com/message/4277140<http://forums.adobe.com/message/4277140>
He even gives out his email address in case you want to contact him
directly and discuss your concerns (though I've no idea if that'll do
any
good). Perhaps the most encouraging part of the thread is where he
says:
"I hear you and Adobe hears you and we are taking a look at some other
possible options to ease your transition from LCCS. This research will
take
some time but we will work as quickly as possible."
For your sake, hopefully that means they'll find a way to either
transfer
most of the LCCS technology to someone else to run it or else donate it
to
the community.
