--- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe you are not correct, here. I have read in several accounts, > both > from people who have tried this experimentally and from people who > understand the theory of JPEG compression
Well, then it's probably because these people don't know how to do an experiment or they only know the theory. Do the following: 1) Open i.e. a *.tiff file in PS. 2) Save it as jpeg at quality 12 -> *1.jpg 3) Close the file. 4) Reopen the jpeg file (*1.jpg) 5) Save this file as jpeg at qulity 12 ->*2.jpg (If does actually compress it again although it could just copy the original file and rename it since no alteration took place. But that would be streching it a bit) 6) Close the jpeg file (*2.jpg) 7) Open both jpeg file (*1.jpg and *2.jpg) 8) Go to Image->Calulations 9) Chose *1.jpg as source 1 (background and red, blue or red channel) 10) Chose *2.jpg as source 2 (background and same channel as for *1.jpg) 11) Chose Difference for Blending, Opacity 100% 12) Chose New Document for Result 13) Since the error is very small you have to adjust the levels. The easiest to just use 'Image->Adjust->AutoLevels' = 'Shift-Ctrl-L' If you wish you can also do the following additional experiment: 14) Open the original *.tiff file 15) Calculate the difference but know between *.tiff and *1.jpg (step 8-12) 16) Do Shift-Ctrl-L to adjust the levels. You will see that in the second case the error is bigger. You start seeing contours of your object and that although you stored the image at the highest jpeg compression. You actually can look at the jpeg file in a hex monitor and figure out the quantization coefficients PS uses. Now if you had chosen a lower jpeg compression you would see an even bigger error (because the quantization coefficients are bigger). Now in the first experiment you see only a small error. You don't see any contours which is why I said it's noise like. Now, I am not sure if for each consecutive saving of the image the same amount of loss would occur. Maybe not. It's possible that the loss will gradually decrease until there is no loss anymore at all. Not sure about that. > (Though > why you would want to open a JPEG and then resave it unchanged, at > the same > compression ratio, rather than simply closing it, is an open > question.) Well, you might want to change only a small part of the jpeg image, i.e. to remove a person etc. After the change obviously you have the actually save the image. But now not only the area where you have made the change but the whole image will be affected. Again there would be a way to keep the rest of the image as it was and just recompress the changed part (with a max of an additional 7 neighbour pixels in each direction) but that would be asking too much. Robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
