On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 02:46:34PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > On 5/18/2016 2:32 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > I should probably add that this is an interesting comment > > coming from somebody who breaks FFmpeg with nearly every > > commit and not only absolutely refuses to work on fixes but > > even blocks fixes if others want to help him. > > Frankly, this is nothing nothing but an ad hominem attack. > > I am tired of it. This happens constantly, and the community > is always silent[1], and far too accepting of such toxic behavior. > > It has given me far too much unneeded stress and sourness. The > complete inability of the community to address such behavior and > individuals is appalling. > > I've had enough. I've already distanced myself from the Libav > community recently for similar behavior, and I will be doing > so for the FFmpeg community as well now. > > Both are toxic communities. As of this email, I am unsubscribing > from both ffmpeg-devel and libav-devel. > > I hope both communities enjoy their little out of touch bubbles. >
It seems I'm late to the party again... As some people like to remind me, I'm indeed guilty and staying silent when I should raise arms against the devil. But just like you, I assume many people here are also very tired of the fighting (be it "between" or "within" projects) and as a result don't feel like getting more involved in this. So, just like others in this thread, yes of course you have my support against sanctions wrt the non respect of the common technical workflow, and indeed more into to the other issue, the heated crap following. One thing I don't understand though, this kind of situation happens from time to time, and every single time there is like a hand of developers spouting hatred at a single or two individuals, and complaining along the lines "the project doesn't do shit about $issue", followed by a tendency to shift the blame onto the other people who might not give much of a thought about that particular issue, or simply don't necessarily want to be involved in. So instead of these explosive and abrasive behaviours (which I'm not even condemning), I'd suggest the people who are really unhappy about it to bring potential ways out of it. Why was it needed for Michael to step in with a code of conduct even though we know he is much more efficient at non political or writing stuff, and has/had a delicate position in the matter? Paul suggested an IRC meeting, which is probably a step in the good direction, but I think Kieran, wm4, or you Derek (maybe missing others), should have been the first to send a draft for a code of conduct + sanctions things, or whatever other plan you had in mind. You think someone else is going to take responsibility for this? Don't fool yourself, it's unlikely to happen. I understand the anger, I really do. But shouting about a 3rd fork, getting angry at Carl or leaving slamming the door does not look like it's going to help (this last sentence is not directly aimed at you, but more at the group looking for changes). It's sad to see all this anger energy not be transformed in something more constructive, and it will be another loss to see you leave. -- Clément B.
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