On 18.09.2015 17:19, Nicolas George wrote:
wm4:
Nice snarky, content-free remark. But you know that just because a hack got
"blessed" because it has "verified users", this is not a reason to implement
things in the right way, so that they are also maintainable and orthogonal.
Do you intend to propose a patch that implements things "the right way",
"orthogonal", in less than, let's say, two years? If not, do not criticize
people who propose something that works.
I have no interest in ffmpeg.c, so of course I won't. But I had a pretty
simple way to implement it in mpv without having to go through
ridiculous things like a libavfilter movie source filter. It was
probably 10 lines in total.
(Or what do you tell to a user who wants to add hardsubbing captions to his
existing transcode commandline? Have fun.)
Maybe I tell them to wait until the genius wm4 has condescended to implement
it.
My patches, either for sub2video or for subcc in movie, are indeed ugly
hacks, I never denied it. But they work, right now, and they are of service
to users. Furthermore, they are isolated features, without tendrils all over
the place, without causing unrelated problems and ready to be removed when a
proper implementation is committed.
By disparaging them, you are insulting both me and every user who uses the
features. There are very few people whose contributions are so invaluable
that the community has to bear with their rudeness.
Honestly, I find most of your passively aggressive replies at least
annoying and often enough definitely sound like they're intended to
insult. You just did it again - read your mail. Maybe you could turn it
down a little?
And just for the protocol, yes, I called it a terrible hack, but you
agree that it's an "ugly hack", so I'm not sure what I did wrong here.
By implementing something as a hack, you put the burden on future
generations of developers who somehow have to clean it up (instead of
only having to implement it the right way), and of course without
causing any "regressions". (Which means pretty please duplicate all the
fucked corner-casey up stuff that happened to work because of a specific
implementation etc.)
You know, I don't do this to argue with you to death or because I enjoy
fighting (surprisingly I don't) - I just want sane technical solutions,
because just committing mistakes causes a magnitude of more work at a
later point. Either because somehow has to clean it up, or because it'll
be so hard to fix bugs/add features.
Anyway, the bottom line is, no you can't output a subtitle stream, if
you want to, add subtitles to lavfi.
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