On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 09:41:02AM -1000, compn wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> as the CoC rules over the GA, then the GA probably has to vote on this
> change? i didnt find any process for changing the CoC, so i send this
> mail. I kindly ask someone more familiar with the voting system to start
> a vote on the vote.ffmpeg.org for this proposed change to the Code of
> conduct.
> 
> 
> Reasons for this change:
> i am tired of seeing these step down calls for the last 15+ years.
> none of these step down calls help anyone.
> most people get upset when asked to step down.
> new contributors are dissuaded when there are a bunch of people calling
> for each others' heads.
> 
> 
> Reasons against this change:
> "but i really like asking people to step down!"
> "the mailing list is more active with more flames!"
> "its my last way to be mean on the list, without overtly breaking the
> CoC!"
> "its not mean to ask someone to step down! its just (insert reason
> here)"
> 
> 
> shouldnt it already be covered by another rule in the CoC?
> specifying it out , and having the GA vote on it, will give the CC more
> guidance for easier enforcement and less ambiguity.
> 
> 
> thank you for your time.
> -compn
> 
> 
> 
> diff --git a/doc/community.texi b/doc/community.texi
> index 97a49f15ed..1e5e93c227 100644
> --- a/doc/community.texi
> +++ b/doc/community.texi
> @@ -162,6 +162,8 @@ Looking at issues from a different perspective assists 
> development.
>  Do not assume malice for things that can be attributed to incompetence. Even 
> if
>  it is malice, it's rarely good to start with that as initial assumption.
> 
> +Do not ask any developer to step down from any position.
> +

i would add these:

Stay On-Topic: Ensure your messages relate to software development or the 
specific purpose of the mailing list. Avoid unrelated discussions.

Be Respectful: Treat all members with courtesy and respect. Personal attacks, 
insults, or harassment of any kind are not tolerated.

Avoid Provocation: Refrain from posting inflammatory, controversial, or 
intentionally provocative messages. Focus on constructive discussions.

No Trolling: Messages intended to provoke an emotional response or disrupt the 
discussion are prohibited.

Professional Language: Use clear, professional, and inclusive language. Avoid 
offensive or derogatory remarks, even in jest.

Constructive Criticism Only: Offer feedback in a constructive and 
solution-oriented manner. Criticize ideas, not people.

Handle Disagreements Professionally: Disagreements are normal but should be 
handled respectfully. Assume good intentions and avoid escalating conflicts.

Report Issues: If you encounter behavior that violates these rules, report it 
to the list moderators rather than engaging directly.

Moderators’ Authority: Moderators have the final say on rule enforcement. 
Non-compliance may result in warnings, moderated posts, or removal from the 
list.

thx

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