To whom it may concern. Stop your harassment and withdraw your public insults against my person.
In light of prompt action from the Cc, I reserve any and all legal avenues against Thilo Borgmann. Le 24 avril 2024 09:07:43 GMT+03:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit : >Hi, > >> Thilo is calling Kieran, myself and presumably Derek and JB trolls. >> >> This seems to be a pattern against anyone who disagrees with him. > >please avoid top-posting on this list [1]. > >-Thilo > >[1] https://ffmpeg.org/mailing-list-faq.html#What-is-top_002dposting_003f-1 > > >> Le 22 avril 2024 04:25:20 GMT+08:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel >> <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 21.04.24 10:47, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have been dragged privately into this issue so for the sake of >>>> transparency, I will just sum up my side here. >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 17 avril 2024 07:21:18 GMT+08:00, Devin Heitmueller >>>> <devin.heitmuel...@ltnglobal.com> a écrit : >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't looking to start trouble, but I didn't see any discussion of >>>>> this on the mailing list so wanted to bring it to the developer >>>>> community's attention. >>>>> >>>>> I attended the NAB conference and went by the "ffmpeg" booth on >>>>> Sunday. What I found was a single table with the official ffmpeg >>>>> banner hanging right next to a banner for the GPAC project, and two >>>>> salespeople from GPAC handing out marketing literature and trying to >>>>> educate me on why I should use their framework for my next project. >>>> >>>> Thilo did announce that some unidentified party would be payind for FFmpeg >>>> to hold a booth (this should be visible in the archives). Kieran raised >>>> legitimate if not concerning questions based on his prior experience at >>>> NAB. >>> I announced that "We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the >>> booth, so there are no costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no >>> obligations, of course)." >>> >>> Kieran's reaction was raising concerns that he feels donors wouldn't want >>> to see their SPI money spend on NAB [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just >>> announced that there will be no donor's SPI money needed as there are no >>> costs for FFmpeg. >>> >>> Kieran's reaction further was claiming that no plan has been provided who >>> will actually be present on the booth [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just >>> announced that "Any FFmpeg developer is welcome to join in and man the >>> booth with me". >>> >>> >>>> Thilo did not answer, which is inexcusable, especially considering that >>>> there were several times that the questions were reiterated. >>> Ignoring what has been said, making statements raising the impression that >>> something contradictory would be the truth is trolling me and deceiving the >>> other readers. No reason at all to feed the trolls - no matter how often >>> the trolling is repeated. >>> >>> >>>> Thilo privately called Kieran a "troll" as the lame pretext for not >>>> answering the question (I can copy the CC privately if proof of this is >>>> needed). >>> >>> And I just did publicly, for what I believe his reaction in the FFmpeg at >>> NAB 2024 thread was and everyone can read to get their own impression in >>> the archives. You think it's a lame pretext? The "questions" had been >>> answered even before they were "raised" by Kieran. >>> >>> >>>> In light of this, it seemed obvious that the FFmpeg booth would be a >>>> disaster, pretty much how Kieran had predicted. >>> >>> In the light of... the costs being covered and me + any other volunteer >>> manning the booth as announced or in the light of... the deceiving >>> 'ignorance' in Kieran's statements? >>> _Even if_ the coverage of the complete funding and/or manning the booth >>> would have been unanswered, how would that have 'obviusly' concluded the >>> booth to become a disaster? >>> That conclusion itself appears not comprehensible. >>> >>> >>>> So there you have it. On the bright side, FFmpeg was not footing the bill. >>> >>> I fear FFmpeg has to pay quite a high bill for all the trolling bullshit >>> going on about this NAB presence alone. >>> >>> >>>> I think everybody can make their own conclusions without me speculating or >>>> opiniating further, so I will leave it at that. >>> >>> I very much hope everyone is making up their own opinion. >>> Even you, who I think is not stupid, obviously was too easily made to >>> takeover the 'payment is unclear', 'manning is unclear', 'will become a >>> desaster' narrative here. >>> >>> >>>>> I'm not saying that GPAC shouldn't be able to have a table at the >>>>> conference, but it feels pretty misleading to have an "ffmpeg" booth >>>>> listed in the conference materials, with a table prominently >>>>> displaying the ffmpeg logo, with zero people from ffmpeg and people >>>>> pushing users to use an alternative framework that some might actually >>>>> considered to be a competitor to ffmpeg. >>>> >>>> Agreed. Thanks for your testimony. >>> And here you are demonstrating again that it appears to be so much beloved >>> behavior in our community to hop on the troll train and willingly ignore >>> previous statement for the sake to troll on. >>> You love to ignore what I relied to Devin's mail where to the most >>> important part, Devin's impression could be reasonably explained/voided to >>> have been a wrong impression (misleading ffmpeg booth without any people >>> from ffmpeg) that to my understanding after talking to him, doesn't bother >>> him anymore. >>> >>> You can think about GPAC what you want and if it is a good idea to share a >>> booth with them. >>> My thoughts about it is that we should absorb them into FFmpeg instead of >>> splitting resources and efforts. They know that and yet want to share a >>> booth with us. >>> But since they are doing things like DRM we reject doing at FFmpeg, GPAC >>> currently is a valid downstream project adding 'value' of some kind to >>> their users beyond what FFmpeg can provide. >>> Not surprising, since we are a library and literally every user will add >>> some value on top, make their own project/product out of it and could be >>> considered a 'competitor' in that sense. >>> >>> IMHO, you just added quite some trollish behavior in your own response to >>> the NAB discussion instead of productive, fruitful or even useful >>> discussion, hurting FFmpeg and yourself. >>> >>> -Thilo >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317199.html >>> [2] >>> https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317214.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ffmpeg-devel mailing list >>> ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org >>> https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel >>> >>> To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email >>> ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". >> _______________________________________________ >> ffmpeg-devel mailing list >> ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org >> https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel >> >> To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email >> ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > >_______________________________________________ >ffmpeg-devel mailing list >ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org >https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > >To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email >ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
