Hi jb and everyone else On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:54:20AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 08:22, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > Neither does this list of 51 people [1] correlate to the 54 authorized > > voters > > (distinct email addresses) the CIVS system actually counted, see [3]. > > And instead of you ASKING for that, you launch another vote? That's your > solution?
I cannot speak for thilo, but i did what you suggest here and asked about multiple other inconsistencies in the vote. The replies i got where minimal, slow and at least one was not friendly at all Also IMHO if inconsistencies occure in a vote they should be made public with no one having to ask explicitly. Being reluctant to share information about problems that occured in a vote is not good practice in a open source project IMHO and also it leads to more distrust and more drama (like what started this thread) > > Just as as remark, YOU are running the voting system, and have access to > infra, so YOU can check it. thilo did share the log with me a few days ago, there is very little information in it. So little i can just provide it here with no privacy fears ill provide a summary first: (as its easier to read i think) 4 mails where sent out Mon Oct 30 10:11:20 +-1sec then 20 seconds pass then 47 mails are sent out between 10:11:41 and 10:12:20 with 0-2 seconds between the mails then 11 seconds pass then 2 mails are sent out at 10:12:31 at 10:13:42 2023 the first vote comes in then about 3 minutes pass between 10:16:20 and 10:16:48 53 mails are sent with 0-3 seconds between over 2 hours later at 12:55:40 another mail is sent overall 54 mails sent where distinct but we do not know the addresses, I do believe CIVS will not resend mails to the same address unless asked for and the same address will not be able to vote twice or be counted twice. But anyone who is in there with 2 different addresses could vote twice Now if CIVS can ensure the same address cannot vote twice it must be possible to extract the email addresses, at least before the end of the vote, But i do not know how. CIVS seems to have it as one of its goals to keep the addresses out of the logs it seems thats a mis-feature to me Also iam not sure resending mails to different addressed when they bounce is safe Lets just consider i receive a mail at niedermayer.cc, i could construct a bounce and send it back while still voting with the token in it. If i now get a mail at gmx.at i could vote twice. 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