On Monday, 31 October 2022 14:03:21 CET Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Neal Gompa (2022-10-30 22:04:42) > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 4:10 PM Michael Niedermayer > > > > <mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 02:29:56PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 2:23 PM Michael Niedermayer > > > > > > > > <mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > According to our > > > > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Downstreams > > > > > > > > > > Noone and nothing is using 5.0 > > > > > should i make another release of 5.0 ? > > > > > should i move 5.0 to olddownloads ? > > > > > > > > > > does anyone use it ? plan to use it or know of someone using it ? > > > > > > > > Fedora 36 still uses FFmpeg 5.0 as I discovered there was an ABI break > > > > that made upgrading to FFmpeg 5.1 not possible for F36. FFmpeg 5.1 is > > > > used for Fedora 37, though. > > > > > > > > This had apparently been also discovered by openSUSE some time ago: > > > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/multimedia:libs/ffmpeg-5/ > > > > work-around-abi-break.patch?expand=1> > > > > You can replace 5.0 by 5.1 but not 5.1 by 5.0, The compatibility is only > > > in one way. > > > Iam assuming here you talk about the addition of functions and there is > > > not some other issue iam not aware of. > > > > My understanding is that when using symbol versions, modifying the > > symbol table creates a breakage on its own. > > Do you have some authoritative source for this claim? So far all the > arguments I've seen were along the lines of "because I say so". > > > > > Do we have ABI testing in place for submitted patches? I haven't seen > > > > any evidence of CI testing of patches submitted to the mailing list, > > > > but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? If there is, maybe we can > > > > consider adding some kind of ABI testing for release branches, using > > > > tools like libabigail[1] with abidiff[2]? > > > > > > > > [1]: https://sourceware.org/libabigail/ > > > > [2]: https://www.mankier.com/1/abidiff > > > > > > iam not sure there is agreement between you and others of what is a ABI > > > break so the tool maybe will not help. > > > > > > I have generaly done testing with replacing old libraries by new when > > > doing > > > releases. But for me a ABI break is if replacing a library by another > > > breaks some binary that is not rebuild and linked to the new lib. > > > > > > More testing is always good and welcome of course. > > > > Yeah, I think that qualifying how ABI is validated in a reproducible > > way would be useful. The abigail tooling can help here, In Fedora, > > every update runs through abigail validation too. I vaguely recall > > that it warned me when I did the update in Rawhide, which is how I wound > > up talking to Jan in openSUSE and RPM Fusion maintainers, who both > > didn't refresh FFmpeg on stable branches with 5.0 to 5.1. > > > > It's also entirely possible that I was *too* cautious, and I'm okay > > with having a conversation that leads me to do differently in the future. > > Having automated ABI testing would be definitely a good idea, not all > developers understand how ABI compatibility works and there have been > breakages (according to our definition) recently. > > I also have https://github.com/lvc/abi-compliance-checker/ on my > to-look-at list, but as always time is lacking.
At libssh we use https://github.com/ansasaki/abimap for symbol versioning. Ask if master could be added to ABI Laboratory: https://abi-laboratory.pro/index.php?view=timeline&l=ffmpeg Just my 2c. Andreas -- Andreas Schneider a...@cryptomilk.org GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
