On 2020-07-04 14:08, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, at 20:09, Paul B Mahol wrote:
Why is bad and offensive language tolerated on this mailing list and on IRC?
It is not tolerated.
Whatever the reason.

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Jean-Baptiste Kempf -  President


Jean-Baptiste, with respect, rudeness and offensive language _is_ tolerated on this mailing list — as measured by the lack of community norm enforcement when rudeness appears, and by the lack of visible punishment to those who are rude. I think it is especially important for the person with "President" after their name to have a clear idea of the actual behaviour of the group.

You are the best at attempting to enforce community norms. In a few recent threads, you have responded to rudeness by saying that rude behaviour is not welcome. That is good. You announced recently that you kicked a person off IRC as a consequence of their rude behaviour there. That is good. However, it is very mild compared to what I think should happen.

None of the multiple instances of rudeness on this list in the last few weeks has been met with a wide-spread public rebuke. None have resulted in a list member being suspended from the list, or having their code commit authority suspended.

Rudeness and offensive language is against the _rules_ of this list and of IRC, but it is clearly "tolerated". I wish it were not. I am hopeful that setting up the community governance, and forming councils with authority to deal with bad behaviour, will improve the situation.
       —Jim DeLaHunt, software engineer, Vancouver, Canada


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