2009/12/2 Bryan Karlan <chun...@yahoo.com>: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the file and > have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file as you would in > Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such simple things are made > so darn complicated. How can I figure this program out if I can't even > figure out how to install it? > > Bryan
This is bottom-posting, I enter what you said first, then respond to it. It makes it easier to understand the context and what I'm replying to. If I entered your text to the bottom, then you'd have to scroll back and forth in order to understand what I was talking about. This is considered bad netiquette and, to some, rude. But anyway; I just wanted to add something to what's already been said. This is not a beta-version, it's far earlier than that. But even when it _is_ released, it won't be as easy to install Evolution 2.30 in 9.10 as it would be to install a new version of Outlook in Windows. This is not a "Linux" issue. There are great differences between different Linux distros, so that using OpenSUSE is very different from using Ubuntu. In Ubuntu, and most other Linux distros, we use package managers. This is what makes it so easy to install applications in Ubuntu, using Ubuntu Software Center, etc. There are pros and cons to this approach. You get all the software from one source, so the chance of downloading the software from the wrong site and getting a manipulated version (like downloading Winzip from www.MyMuchCoolerWinzip.com) is eliminated. Since applications are split into packages, the software downloads are also alot smaller. If you have Mozilla Firefox installed, for instance, downloading Mozilla Thunderbird will be much faster than in Windows, because Firefox and Thunderbird shares alot of parts. In Windows, you'd have to download the entire software every time. This means you'd have to install the same software twice. For more general software, you might download the same software ten times, where you'd download it once in Ubuntu. By sharing application parts (libraries) like this, Linux is also able to optimize your RAM usage, freeing resources to other things. And that brings me to the cons. Because you don't download large bundles of software, like you do in Windows, but instead only download the things you actually don't already have, you need to have the same versions of the pieces of software. This is what makes it more difficult to just install a different version of Evolution, for instance. The pieces depend on one another, so that while you could replace Evolution with a newer version, that might also mean that you had to replace other softwares which you didn't really want to replace, etc. This is a fundamental difference between Windows and Ubuntu: Windows doesn't really care or know anything about the applications you install. In Ubuntu, the applications become part of the global system. This also means you can plan for changes: you know that every six months, applications in Ubuntu are upgraded. You'll get a new Firefox, new OpenOffice.org, new Evolution, etc. You don't really have to keep track on the progress of the different applications manually. Hope that helps, Jo-Erlend Schinstad -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad [mailto:joerlend.schins...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:43 AM To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10? I'm learning all this and have found Linux to be a great alternative, but still having some small issues with it. Such as display drivers and Homegroup access. However, I feel these will be resolved, especially as people who are new to Linux bring up issues that experienced users of Linux aren't familiar with. Such as migration issues. All I wanted to do in this email was to find a way to get some new features out of Evolution that would make it a full fledged alternative for Outlook for me and many other people who depend on the program for their livelihood. I've always wanted to have server access but found it both expensive and that it didn't serve my needs because it doesn't sync Journaling, which I use extensively. I've tried the online CRM's but have found them overly complicated, Salesforce, PlanPlusonline, etc... and hard to sync to Outlook successfully. In fact, let's be honest, you can't even rely on Windows Mobile Sync to work consistently, in fact it will often corrupt the pst file in bizarre ways that nobody at Microsoft has ever heard of, (yeah right). I believe KMail and Evolution to be good alternatives if I can find a way to inexpensively get server access. I'm still trying to find the best email client (CRM) so I haven't bothered with the server aspect yet. I'm just not in the mood for buying Windows 7 when my beta runs out and Office 2010 when that beta runs out. I have found Kubuntu and OpenSuse KDE to be extraordinary alternatives and while my learning curve is steep, it is happening quickly. I just wish some would be a little more understanding of those of us that are trying to learn. But I know that despite that, I have successfully set up a dual boot with Windows 7 with Ubuntu, then OpenSuse, and now Kubuntu. And it wasn't easy as I tried different distro's and found the differences between Gnome and KDE. And the dual boot created many problems as did trying to get my Nvidia display driver installed and getting Linux to see the files on my other Windows 7 laptop. I thought that I could run the newer version of Evolution and see what they have done. I'm finding out through this thread that that is not really an option and that it is best that I wait for the next distro to contain the next version of Evolution. That being said, I would like to explain to someone who cares what a very strong user of Outlook can contribute to the discussions about what should be available on the new version. I believe that I could contribute greatly to the discussion and offer some great suggestions for the next version despite the fact that I can't see it. I would like to know how to offer this, my knowledge of Outlook and the business users needs, to the Evolution team on a regular basis. Not just by putting a bug in Bugzilla. Because technically, offering advice for new features is not a bug. And of course, sometimes it takes multiple conversations and screenshots for someone else to understand what I'm trying to convey. Bryan Karlan Laguna Niguel, CA _______________________________________________ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
