On Friday, December 20, 2024 at 3:03:36 PM UTC-7 Jesse Mazer wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 6:14 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: Please define what you mean by local events, with some examples. I did that in my last two comments on the other thread, the first of which you had said you were going to respond to in more detail. In my second-to-last post see the two paragraphs beginning with the sentence 'But are you asking a different question about what is the motive for demanding that any claims about how things work in different frames needs to pass the test of giving identical local predictions, in order to qualify as good physics?' with the example of the mini bomb and the glass of water, and in my last post see the paragraphs beginning with '"The car fits" or "the car fits" are not statements about local events, i.e. statements about things that happen at a single spacetime point in one of Brent's diagrams'--in that comment I then went on to give examples involving endpoints of the car and garage crossing paths with clock readings and ruler markings given at those specific crossing points in spacetime. Can you re-read those carefully, and if you're still unclear ask follow-up questions to either of those comments? Note that in these kinds of problems we idealize things like clocks and endpoints of the car as being like point particles that only have a single position coordinate at a single time coordinate (likewise the bomb and the glass of water), which I assume you won't have a problem with if you are willing to similarly idealize the car and garage as 1-dimensional. But if you were to treat clocks etc. as having an extension in space that was tiny compared to the lengths of the car/garage, and passing by the ends of the car garage at a similarly tiny distance, this would differ only negligibly from the idealized calculation of treating them as points. Jesse I don't have a problem with idealizations and it's clear that we're using them in this issue. I didn't want to reply on the other thread in order not to mess up your long post which I will eventually respond to. And I realize that the simultaneous endpoints of a perfectly fitting car are not local events but why does the fact that they're not simultaneous in the car frame solve this apparent paradox? And you'll notice the author I quoted doesn't state exactly what the paradox is. AG And Yes, I agree that coordinate systems are arbitrary. And Yes, I can do the assigned problem for defining a worldline, but I need to think about it a little more. And finally, Yes again. I am quite able to admit when I am mistaken. TY, AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/518eabb4-e9b3-46d1-81a9-0083afe410cen%40googlegroups.com.
