> On 18 Jun 2019, at 20:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 6/18/2019 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> An overlooked simple possibility is that separating the notions of >> "consciousness" and "reality" is nonsensical. There is no evidence of any >> "reality" outside of conscious experience, nor can there be. > > Weren't you ever unconscious and awoke to discover that reality had proceeded > without you? That's evidence.
I might agree. Perhaps Telmo was talking about a physical reality, as judged independent of consciousness, which does not exist … physically, but still arithmetically. The physical reality is independent of us, with “us” = the terrestrial mammals (say). But the physical reality is not independent of us, with “us” = the universal numbers. Dinosaurs have existed in our human past. But things like past and future are “invention” of numbers (to be short). We cannot prove this (in the strong sense of proof), but in that sense, we cannot prove anything about Reality nor even that there is a reality. To prove the existence of a reality is akin to prove our own consistency. We cannot prove that, despite we cannot really donut that we are (locally) consistent. Some faith is unavoidable, if we want to do fundamental research, and avoid pure instrumentalism, which leads to manipulations, lies, and the law of the jungle ... Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/de3b4d11-cf65-161b-2d35-bfd7d42e540e%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C027E8CC-F968-4BC8-8127-D091C29DA095%40ulb.ac.be.
