On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 4:35:23 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:21 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 3:35:11 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 5:41 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 6:06:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 1:42 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 8:20:07 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . All you have to do is come up with the dynamics of the retrocausal >>>>>>> mechanism that explains the Aspect experiments. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I did: *The reflective path integral w/logical variables*. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is not the Aspect experiment. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'll look at it sometime and formulate it in σCP. >>>> >>>> Programming (programming languages) is the future of physics. >>>> >>> >>> I very much doubt that! >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> You are condemned as a charlatan by your silence on the important >>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course I'm a charlatan. I've never claimed to be anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> What are you? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Someone interested in physics......to the exclusion of unevidenced >>>>> dogma. >>>>> >>>>> Look, Price has been banging on about retrocausal explanations of >>>>> violations of the Bell inequalities for 30 or more years. And before >>>>> that, >>>>> there have been many years of similar ideas, such as Cramer's >>>>> transactional >>>>> interpretation and so on. On the surface, these ideas might seem >>>>> plausible >>>>> and attractive. But the fact is that even after all this time, they have >>>>> succeeded in persuading only a few weak-minded individuals. Now why might >>>>> that be? My explanation is that these ideas have never been applied to >>>>> give >>>>> convincing dynamical explanations for anything. In fact, if you try to >>>>> apply retrocausal ideas to the Aspect experiment, you rapidly run into >>>>> insuperable difficulties, and are forced to conclude that retrocausality >>>>> can give only classical correlations -- the result that Lawrence alluded >>>>> to >>>>> some time ago. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There are a bunch of people working on both retrocausal and contextual >>>> models, Some are physicists and mathematicians, not just philosophers. >>>> >>> >>> And they are all wrong. >>> >>> >>>> Its an open question (there is nothing closed* in physics). >>>> >>> >>> Many things are "closed": the luminiferous aether, caloric, epicycles, >>> etc, etc. >>> >>> >>>> ts the Physics Gestapo that wants to swarm in (on what they see as the >>>> "weak-minded individuals") and say it is ruled out of bounds. >>>> >>> >>> Not "ruled out of bounds", just work through the details and show us how >>> it works in practice. That is the element that is missing from all the hype >>> you persist in posting. If you could come up with a convincing dynamical >>> account of retrocausation as it operates in a real physical experiment, >>> then you might have a smidgen more credibility. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >> >> >> Big deal. >> >> Physicists are so dumb they don't have a "mechanism" for gravity yet. >> > > You really are remarkably ignorant! Newton did't have an "mechanism", but > Einstein provided that in terms of the local curvature of space-time. >
You are remarkably ignorant of what a mechanism is. At least LQG (spacetime "cells" or "tiles") is something of a mechanism). Einstein's equations are just descriptions of behavior, not a mechanism. We don't know what space is. cf. Carlo Rovelli on LQG spacetime: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/14358/1/STinLQG2.pdf > >> Some are looking for "gravitons"! >> > > Some others have found them! > > Bruce > I looked in Google News for an announcement that the graviton had been found. Didn't see one. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ff6380c0-389a-4072-9e0f-7143a5dfd99d%40googlegroups.com.
