Problem is that people that want to believe - and take one seeming
"hit", like Cosmin's girl friend story - and don't count dozens or
hundreds of total misses. We have hunches, or clues many times per day,
if we interact with society or friends at all. We take action on more
certain ones, such as reacting to drivers on the road, and, if a less
certain hunch or thought doesn't confirm as a "hit," then it goes into
the trash bin of totally forgotten failed hunches (would be "hits" if
confirmed). But if a believer has a hunch or dream, like Cosmin, none of
the failed dreams or hunches counts - just the seeming "hit".
And, as Telmo and Bruno suggest, one must examine past interactions.
Cosmin's girlfriend can't get the idea that both might travel to Europe
out of thin air. They must have talked about it before. Doesn't past
communication count?? And also, Cosmin's and the girlfriend's dreams are
quite different; Cosmin's quite specific about Italy and girlfriend's
quite general. Castles may be in Germany, Romania, England, less likely
in Italy. But Cosmin still makes invisible links where none exist. Italy
is a small part of Europe. Parties in the streets is commonly depicted
on the media. Cosmin, your supposed "shared" dream totally fails your
point 1 of telepathy.
If, Cosmin, seven billion people have experiences of telepathy (_your_
claim in this thread), then you should be able, easily be able to
generate hard proof of telepathy.
Should be easy to demo telepathy if what you say is even remotely true.
Not like the hyperbole you suggest of I'll produce telepathy when you
guys "produce a higgs boson" (requiring tens of billions of dollars of
equipment and decades of time).
Oh, you say, telepathy doesn't happen all the time, just when conditions
are right. No problem. Lightning, aurora borealis and tornadoes are such
phenomena, and it's easy to set up for them... telepathy is, you say,
very common. Should be a no-brainer.
James Randi, who got the genius grant from MacArthur Foundation in his
50's for his tireless work pursuing the truth, did just that. Each
claimant had their conditions for demonstrating - which Randi
"religiously" followed. He had a bait of a million dollars to successful
claimants. None could demonstrate under neutral conditions. You say
Randi is a charlatan? Nothing could be further from the truth.
Cheers! Howard Marks
On 5/21/2019 9:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Did you consider that maybe you had recently shared experiences /
conversations / whatever that triggered similar dreams? Or that you
woke up and saw the facebook message before dreaming but don't
remember it? Or...
You fight dogmatism precisely by trying to prove to yourself that you
are wrong, not by jumping to the conclusion you like and then
defending it as part of your identity, being offended when people
don't believe you and so on. The latter is the actual path to
dogmatism. I have walked it, most of us have, we are human. But let's
try not to bullshit ourselves too much.
One day I was standing in a train station. This thought came out of
nowhere: "wouldn't it be weird if an empty train just passed by?". An
empty train just passed by moment after. Empty trains that do not stop
were not a common event at that station, it was the first time I saw
one. Is this proof or even strong evidence of precognition? Of course
not, there are 1000 more prosaic explanations to consider before
assuming something that is so much outside of our understanding of
reality. For example, I might have noticed some warning but only
became aware of it at some subconscious level. Or maybe I observed 2
or 3 unusual things and my brain connected the dots.
If you are a scientist, and you have a hunch, then do the experiment!
But try to be rigorous, people will question your methods and your
conclusions, as they should.
Telmo.
On Tue, May 21, 2019, at 14:30, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
When it occurs it is obvious that it occurred. One such example from
my life. I once had a girlfriend from India (I'm from Romania). We
met for few weeks in India, and after some months after meeting, I
had a dream of traveling with her in Italy and there was a party on
the streets with food on the tables, and we took food and people
started to scream at us for stealing. In the morning, when I entered
on facebook I had a message from her in which she was telling me that
she dreamed traveling with me in a place with castles (she never been
to Europe, but clearly this place was evokable of Europe) and there
was a party on the streets and we took water from the table and
people started to laugh at us.
Notice the standard traits of telepathy:
1) Such precise sharable details.
2) It happened at a specific point in time, for both of us at the
same time, and after many months after we met.
3) She felt that she had to tell me this dream. Is not like we were
always telling us the dreams. This was an exception.
If you tell me that this was not telepathy, then you are just an
irrational dogmatic materialist believer.
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