On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 5:57 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> the definition that I'm giving for "existence" is the > looking-back-at-itself of self-reference, through which self-reference > finds objects in itself and identifies with those objects. "Existence" is > basically that property that makes things with definite properties: red is > red, sweet is sweet, etc. So it is a rather precise definition. > I don't think 'precise' means what you think it means. > Nevertheless, self-reference itself is unformalizable. Self-reference > neither exists nor not-exists. > The first sentence is false. And the second sentence is neither true nor false. It is meaningless. > And depending on what other characteristics this peculiar state of affairs > fully entails that consciousness later on displays on its own certain > characteristics, including evolution that might not necessarily be part of > consciousness per se. This is where the difficulties lie: in understanding > what unformal entities actually can do, what kind of powers do they have. > I can't make any sense out of this. Look, I think you made some progress when you gave a prediction. It really crystallizes your ideas. I now know that you really mean it when you say the physical world doesn't exist. You think that a dog will spontaneously create the ability to see color when it's starving to death. I think that's absurd. Would you be willing to place an actual bet with me on that, say $100? We can figure out later how to settle the bet in a way that doesn't involve killing a dog... I would just like to know you're willing to put your money where your mouth is. You also never answered my question about where language comes from. > > On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:00:30 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> And then once you assume it, you contradict your statement that only >> consciousness exists. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
